[Peace-discuss] Re: Dean - Nader Debate

[jencart]

Hi Folks,

Dean's point also was that Nader PAID folks to collect signatures -- not exactly grassroots support! -- and that he SOUGHT signatures from a right-wing Republican group/cult that is openly anti-gay, in order to get on the ballot in OR. Nader claimed he didn't know/care the group's politics, that he actually believes his "$upport" from Republicans is genuine, rather than an attempt to take votes from the Democrats (!), that he can't see farther than his one obsessive issue/corporate power, thus he doesn't admit to any difference betw Reps/Bush and Dems/Kerry, and said that it takes time/there IS time to develop a third party, and Dean called him disingenuous on one/some of those.... Dean sez we should get Demos elected and then work on a better platform.  IMHO, Nader's point that corporations are evil and must be stopped was lost, bec he so clearly believes that the end does justify the means, so long as its HIS end and HIS means, and truly and frightenly 
is out of touch w/ reality, making him as dangerous in his own way as Bush et al...... BTW, I can't stand Kerry these days, but I do think he is vastly different from Bush, eg on environment, nuclear disarmament, etc, but esp on domestic issues. 

Jenifer C.
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I like Ricky's point on where the Democrats get their money.

I haven't checked, but I'll bet that the majority of money Kerry has comes from Corporations (or bundled contributions) that are giving more money to Bush than to Kerry.  If a contributor gives more money to Bush than Kerry, I would say it would be safe to say that contributor is a Republican.  Therefore, Kerry takes money form Republicans.

With Nader and Kerry taking money form Republicans we could say the there is no difference between these to parties and vote Green 8-)  Just kidding I know there are differences and this debate is just a way to keep us off the issues.

Take care all - Russ Rybicki


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> So what?  Where does Kerry get his money?  Plenty of
> conservatives, plenty of pro-war liberals, plenty of
> union-busters, etc., etc.  And where's Bush get his?
> 
> If the Democrats put more time and energy into
> offering a real alternative to the GOP, instead of
> bashing the few who are saying what the Dems OUGHT to
> be saying, maybe they'd have some mass appeal.
> 
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