[Peace-discuss] More qs on election results
Lisa Chason
chason at shout.net
Thu Nov 4 16:07:13 CST 2004
Many thanks Jim, Arun and Phil for pointing out problems with the stolen
elections web message. Still wondering, I forward the following.
Comments would be much appreciated.
---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:16:44 -0600
>Subject: [SWS] FW: Fwd: Re: Election returns
>To: SWS-L at listserv.uconn.edu
>
>i was wondering why the exit polls yesterday didn't match
the vote count. a friend forwarded this to me. does
anyone out there have a critique of this message?
>
>
> Subject: Statistical Question
>
> Dave,
> It occurs to me that one of the questions that could be
answered
> without too much trouble, at least for someone with lots
of access to
> data and a knowlege of statistics, would be: is there any
difference in
> the Bush - Kerry percentages in precincts that used
eVoting, especially
> Diebold but all eVoting machines, as opposed to those
that used paper
> ballots or some other method of voting. If this
question has any
> meaning for you, I'd ask you to pose to the list, to see
anyone with
> the proper skills and access could carry out such a study.
>
> I hope in the next few days statisticians examine the
issue of the
> exit polls. Since the early 70's the exit polls have
always been spot
> on. I feel ashamed for any journalist who says the exit
polls got it
> wrong in FLA in 2000, because it is clear they got it
right.
>
> I have to wonder how John Zogby, who predicted 312
electoral votes for
> Kerry at 5PM EST 11/2, could have gotten the exit polls
so wrong. Or
> really if he did.
>
> You might wish to know that CNN only changed its exit
polls in Ohio
> from Kerry favorable to Bush favorable early on 11/3.
>
> You can see a screenshot of the Kerry favorable at
> http://tinyurl.com/42qbv . It is time-stamped 12:21
AM. An hour and
> 20 minutes later it's suddenly got Bush way ahead in the
exit polls.
> http://tinyurl.com/568vo
>
> I just found this posting in the Democratic Underground
site
> ...on several swing states, and EVERY STATE that has
EVoting but no
> paper trails has an unexplained advantage for Bush of
around +5% when
> comparing exit polls to actual results.
>
> In EVERY STATE that has paper audit trails on their
EVoting, the exit
> poll results match the actual results reported within the
margin of
> error.
>
> So we have MATCHING RESULTS for exit polls vs. voting
with audits
>
> vs.
>
> A 5% unexplained advantage for Bush without audits.
>
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