[Peace-discuss] Re: [UCprogressives] Re: [Imc] letter to my former
comrades
bill
laborer at bement.net
Thu Nov 11 20:23:48 CST 2004
Christian leftists have a magazine called "Sojouners." That may be a good place for progressive evangelicals to look for groups to participate in.
As far as progressives' negative attitudes about "evangelical" christianity goes, blame the right-wing evangelicals who get all of the press as they stomp all over everybody else's freedom and shill for the capitalists while conning working class people out of their money.
Perhaps progressive evangelicals should speak up in their own churches and try to shape the congregations' political agenda. If someone is pro-life, it should follow that they're anti-war, anti-death penalty, anti-nuclear weapons, pro-universal health care, and pro-environment.
Bill Gorrell
Producer, Co-host, & Commentator
"The Illinois Labor Hour," broadcast Saturdays 11am - noon on WEFT 90.1 FM Champaign, IL
Member, LIUNA Local 703
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Dunn
To: jbw29 at joimail.com ; peace-discuss at lists.groogroo.com ; ucprogressives at lists.groogroo.com ; imc at lists.groogroo.com
Cc: prairiegreens at lists.groogroo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: [UCprogressives] Re: [Imc] letter to my former comrades
Should'nt the Greens incorporate a "Religious Left"? The Democrats have not done that and when they do they sound incredibly stupid. I believe that there are other left-wing evangelicals out there. Some of them go to places like Vinyard and New Covenant but dont have an avenue to argue progressive causes using Biblical and moral language.
I think it can be done. I am just so pissed off at the fact that the only "voice" for evangelicals is the Right.
Progressives, HELP!!! We need you now more than ever. The vast majority of evangelical church goers are poor or are working class. We need you now more than ever!
>From: John Wason <jbw29 at joimail.com>
>To: "Robert Dunn" <prorobert8 at hotmail.com>,peace-discuss at lists.groogroo.com, ucprogressives at lists.groogroo.com,imc at lists.groogroo.com
>CC: prairiegreens at lists.groogroo.com
>Subject: [UCprogressives] Re: [Imc] letter to my former comrades
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:37:44 -0600
>
>At 04:50 AM 11/10/04 +0000, Robert Dunn wrote:
>
> >Dear Progressives/Liberals/Leftists/Socialists/Communists/Anarchists
> >
> >I have a confession to make, I was one of those stupid racists, sexists,
>homophobic hillbillies who voted for George W. Bush. Guess what, the
>corporate media is right, the main reason why us retarded bigoted hicks is
>the word that you sophisticated Limousine Liberals will not utter, VALUES.
>They matter the most to us. You may not understand what values are because
>they may just be something that cant be deconstructed by some egg-headed
>post-modernist guru. Values are something that we poor people still have.
>We may not have that much material stuff but we have the assurance that we
>are not alone in this world and were created for a purpose. Sometimes the
>only thing we have left for us is a prayer. Oh, that notion sure pisses the
>left off, the fact that some people pray instead of protest. You see,
>George W. is like my father. But my father is a nobody who had a drinking
>problem. Bush may have had the same problem that my Dad did and quit
>drinking when he was born again. But hey, those who are born again are just
>a bunch of extremists hateful zealots. Gee, I missed the people in Klan
>outfits and branding swastikas at church last Sunday. Thanks for showing
>after November 2nd, 2004 that the left really does have contempt for people
>like my Dad and I who have been treated like shit by you for years. I
>really thought you guys cared for the working class person. Now, i see you
>just show contempt for us. Good luck trying to win again. Remember what
>happened to the Whig Party when the American People saw that they were too
>much of a snobbery party. It withered away into nothingness. The same thing
>could happen to the Democratic Party if it does not shape up. I am sorry, I
>had no other choice. I needed to send a message to leftists in this country
>that they need to wake up or wither away like the Whigs. I wanted there to
>be an anti-war party that did not alienate Christian Evangelicals, but
>there was none and I dont know if there will be one.
> >
> >Robert Dunn
>
>Not sure what precipitated this rant, Rob, and I can't imagine you voting
>for George the Butcher under ANY circumstances. But I can assure you that
>I am one person who considers himself an anti-war Christian evangelical and
>who has spent his entire adult life caring about the working class, having
>come from that background myself. So you didn't send me a message I can
>understand.
>
>When I think of "values" I'm afraid I don't think first and foremost of
>things like abortion or stem cell research or homosexuality. I think of
>things that I consider more important, like justice of all sorts and
>compassion for the underprivileged. And I think most often of an absence
>of hyprocrisy, something that Bush and his cronies and probably a majority
>of Christian evangelicals don't have a clue about.
>
>I would have thought that you of all people, Rob, would recognize the Bush
>bunch for what they are...wolves in sheep's clothing. You may recall that
>Jesus warns and COMMANDS you to beware of such.
>
>John Wason
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