[Peace-discuss] A conservative on anti-war movements

[C. G. Estabrook]

But anti-Semitism and nativism are not the principles that the
paleos offer for their opposition to the war.

Similarly, Hentoff's support for civil liberties doesn't
depend on his support for the war or Israel.

These are examples of what on News from Neptune we've called
The Incompleteness Principle: "Nobody can be wrong all the
time."  --CGE


---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 04:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
>From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>  
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] A conservative on anti-war
movements  
>To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>
>Yes, but I'm concerned with the "principles" of people
>like Pat Buchanan, whose opposition to the war is
>based on another form of chauvinism. If we don't want
>to identify with the anti-Semites (such as they are)
>who oppose our alliance with Israel, why do we want to
>identify with nativists, not to mention the native
>libertarians who never connect the dots of government
>power and corporate power? This relates to the problem
>I have with Hentoff as a civil libertarian who
>supported the war, and supports Israel.
>
>David
>
>--- "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Several points, Mort:
>> 
>> [1] It's surprising that you should start with
>> MoveOn, a
>> Democratic party front group that is thoroughly
>> liberal in my
>> lexicon -- and their position on the war is "stay
>> the course"!
>> 
>> [2] I'd make a distinction between liberal and left,
>> fundamentally on the point of support for or
>> opposition to
>> capitalism.  All of the elected Democratic
>> politicians in the
>> country (including Bernie Sanders, tho' he would
>> deny it) fall
>> into the first group; the Progressive, Z Mag,
>> Counterpunch
>> etc. (I have doubts about The Nation), into the
>> second group.
>>  On that reading, it's almost exact that the left
>> opposes the
>> war and liberals don't.
>> 
>> [3] Where are the brave actions of the "progressive
>> caucus" in
>> the House against the war?  Only now do we get a a
>> hat-in-hand
>> petition from some of them, asking the president
>> please to
>> tell them how and when he's going to get out of
>> Iraq. (It's
>> true that with the exception of Ron Paul and one or
>> two
>> others, the paleo-conservative position is not
>> represented in
>> the House.)
>> 
>> My point is that principled opposition to the war
>> (and not
>> just worries that it isn't working very well) is
>> found among
>> paleo-conservatives (what I posted was an example)
>> and on the
>> left -- and not among liberals.  --CGE
>>