[Peace-discuss] "Liberal" media

[C. G. Estabrook]

No "conflation" going on, Mort: Franken is surely a liberal,
indeed he's the principal figure of the self-proclaimed
liberal network, Air America.  Like MoveOn, they're opposed to
withdrawal from Iraq and are therefore like "the Democratic
Party [which] has a pro-war position as the war in Iraq
continues," as Norman Solomon said on Democracy Now last week.
This bit of dialogue is just another illustration. 

Some paleoconservatives as I've pointed out have always
opposed the war, not because it isn't working but because it's
wrong. I wish more soi-disant liberals would do that.       

My basic views haven't changed much since the Vietnam war,
when I opposed my Marxist-Leninist friends from the Left,
from an anarchist or libertarian-socialist position.  (As
Rocker Rocker said, all anarchists are socialists, but not all
socialists are anarchists.) --CGE


---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:58:41 -0500
>From: "Morton K. Brussel" <brussel4 at insightbb.com>  
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "Liberal" media  
>To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
>Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>
>Carl, you persistently seem to conflate "liberals" with those,  
>perhaps like Franken (Clinton, etc.), who evidently are
supporting  
>the occupation for strange and/or corrupted reasons. But you
omit  
>those, probably the large majority,  who are strongly against
the  
>occupation (including Move-On followers, The Nation editors,
many of  
>UFPJ, etc.). What's going on here? Are you becoming
paleoconservative?
>
>--mkb
>
>
>On Jul 18, 2005, at 7:51 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>> [On the question of liberal opposition to the war, a
>> correspondent sends this along.  --CGE]
>>
>>
>> Just heard on Air America's Al Franken Show:
>>
>> (paraphrasing) (Franken interviewing New Yorker writer)
>>
>> New Yorker guy: "For the sake of Democrats and future
>> elections, we must hope for the success of George Bush's
>> foreign policy."
>>
>> Franken: "We've been saying all along, we have to make it
>> (occupation of Iraq) work."
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