[Peace-discuss] "Liberal" media

[Morton K. Brussel]

Carl, Not everyone in any large group, "liberals", "Democrats,  
Republicans, Greens, neo- and paleo-conservatives, the "left", etc.,  
is Simon pure on any particular issue.

You persist in saying that MoveOn.org supports the occupation. In  
fact that is untrue; I  receive their emails, and recent ones that  
bear on the war/occupation call for an end to the occupation now;  
earlier ones tended to ignore the issue. Their (liberal?) members, in  
a poll,  asked them to take s strong position ending the occupation.

So, why do you persist in mis-stating their position? Is it to  
fortify your position that liberals as a group are "for the  
occupation"? Which also is mistaken, if the results of the Move-On  
poll is an indication.

Also, you persist in citing Franken. No problem with me on that. But  
as others have informed you, Air America also has on-the-air voices  
who oppose Franken on this issue. So to imply that Air America is for  
continued occupation is disingenuous.

If you are incensed that the voices loudly quoted in the Democatic  
Party leadership have been  as belligerent as any, fine, but I  
believe that there is probably a disconnect between that leadership  
and the base of the party on this. Yes, you conflate (to use the  
fashionable phrase).

I don't get it.

--Mort


On Jul 18, 2005, at 10:28 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

> No "conflation" going on, Mort: Franken is surely a liberal,
> indeed he's the principal figure of the self-proclaimed
> liberal network, Air America.  Like MoveOn, they're opposed to
> withdrawal from Iraq and are therefore like "the Democratic
> Party [which] has a pro-war position as the war in Iraq
> continues," as Norman Solomon said on Democracy Now last week.
> This bit of dialogue is just another illustration.
>
> Some paleoconservatives as I've pointed out have always
> opposed the war, not because it isn't working but because it's
> wrong. I wish more soi-disant liberals would do that.
>
> My basic views haven't changed much since the Vietnam war,
> when I opposed my Marxist-Leninist friends from the Left,
> from an anarchist or libertarian-socialist position.  (As
> Rocker Rocker said, all anarchists are socialists, but not all
> socialists are anarchists.) --CGE
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
>
>> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:58:41 -0500
>> From: "Morton K. Brussel" <brussel4 at insightbb.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "Liberal" media
>> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
>> Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>
>> Carl, you persistently seem to conflate "liberals" with those,
>> perhaps like Franken (Clinton, etc.), who evidently are
>>
> supporting
>
>> the occupation for strange and/or corrupted reasons. But you
>>
> omit
>
>> those, probably the large majority,  who are strongly against
>>
> the
>
>> occupation (including Move-On followers, The Nation editors,
>>
> many of
>
>> UFPJ, etc.). What's going on here? Are you becoming
>>
> paleoconservative?
>
>>
>> --mkb
>>
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2005, at 7:51 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>
>>
>>> [On the question of liberal opposition to the war, a
>>> correspondent sends this along.  --CGE]
>>>
>>>
>>> Just heard on Air America's Al Franken Show:
>>>
>>> (paraphrasing) (Franken interviewing New Yorker writer)
>>>
>>> New Yorker guy: "For the sake of Democrats and future
>>> elections, we must hope for the success of George Bush's
>>> foreign policy."
>>>
>>> Franken: "We've been saying all along, we have to make it
>>> (occupation of Iraq) work."
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