[Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges be made
public
Phil Stinard
pstinard at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 16 13:35:43 CDT 2005
*Sigh*. Thanks for your take on the situation, Chas. Mr. Madden did
address AWARE directly, though, but you are correct, there is no evidence
that he sent it directly to Peace-Discuss himself.
As for Mr. Madden's resignation, if he feels that my "accusations" (?!?) are
unjustified, then why would he resign? Judging by his personal emails to
me, he doesn't feel that he did anything wrong, and he's fully capable of
defending himself. Anyway, I don't subscribe to WEFT-A, so I'm not
monitoring what's happening there. I DO care about what's being discussed
on Peace-Discuss, and that's what I was responding to. I'm sorry that I
accused Mr. Madden of stalking the Peace-Discuss list if he didn't post his
comments here directly, but since his comments seem directly addressed to
AWARE members, I don't think you can blame me for responding.
--Phil
>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:01:07 -0500
>From: "Chas. 'Mark' Bee" <c-bee1 at itg.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges
> be made public
>To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>Message-ID: <014201c5bae8$9cf86270$b87e7e82 at scribe>
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> reply-type=response
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Stinard" <pstinard at hotmail.com>
>To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>Cc: <c-bee1 at itg.uiuc.edu>
>Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges be made public
>
>
> > Hello Chas,
> >
> > Mr. Madden's email came out of the blue to AWARE's Peace-Discuss list,
>and
> > since he apparently is not a list subscriber (since Linda had to forward
> > it), we have NO WAY of knowing what his intentions are, or who he
> > respresents, nor do we really care, except that if he appears to speak
>for
> > WEFT as some kind of emissary to AWARE (which is a reasonable, if
>incorrect,
> > assumption) and speaks a bunch of crap, we'd like confirmation of
>whether he
> > is indeed speaking on behalf of WEFT. You have not answered that
>question
> > to my satisfaction since you do not claim to represent WEFT. A simple
> > statement from WEFT board members that he does not represent the views
>of
> > WEFT or their associates WOULD be satisfactory.
> >
> > --Phil Stinard
>
>
> Hi Phil. I hate to put on my Captain Obvious cape every 30 seconds, but
>what was contained in the address line of Dave's message? The one I
>received
>only had weft-a. In fact, here's the address field quoted in Linda's
>forward:
>
> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: DJM <DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org>
> > To: "WEFT Aa" <wefta at weftfm.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges
> > be made public
>
> I'm not seeing your list mentioned here. It didn't appear out of the
>blue at
>all, it was forwarded to your list intentionally by one of your members, as
>a
>couple seconds' reading of the original forward proves conclusively - and
>would never have appeared there otherwise.
>
> As for his speaking for WEFT, not only is there nothing at all in his
>message that makes this a reasonable assumption, as we see above he didn't
>even address it in a way that would allow it. Hopefully that clears this
>matter up - but you can now find him on weft-a offering his resignation as
>an
>airshifter and an associate because of your utterly crazy and baseless
>accusation, if you bother to check. -cmb
>
>
> >
> >>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:53:43 -0500
> >>From: "Chas. 'Mark' Bee" <c-bee1 at itg.uiuc.edu>
> >>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all
> >> charges be madepublic
> >>To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> >>Message-ID: <00a701c5badf$322f9660$b87e7e82 at scribe>
> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >> reply-type=response
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Phil Stinard" <pstinard at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> >>Cc: <wefta at weftfm.org>; <mwoolf at prairienet.org>; <witzany at uiuc.edu>;
> >><DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org>
> >>Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:15 AM
> >>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges be
> >>madepublic
> >>
> >>
> >> > Dear Linda,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for bringing this to the attention of AWARE, "for what it's
> >>worth."
> >> > Mr. Madden apparently is claiming that he is speaking on behalf of
>WEFT
> >>when
> >> > he states that "You [Randall] are so thoroughly loathed that even if
>you
> >>are
> >> > not recalled as a board member, you will not be permitted onto the
> >>premises
> >> > at 113 N Market Street" and when he refers to "A.W.A.R.E peacemongers
> >>(btw,
> >> > nice peace you're creating around here)." If he is not speaking on
> >>behalf
> >> > of WEFT, then I ask WEFT to issue a clarification and an apology. If
>he
> >>is
> >> > speaking on behalf of WEFT, then I would ask WEFT to remember that
>they
> >>sent
> >> > a group of board members to an AWARE meeting during their pledge
>drive
> >> > earlier this year and took a collection, to which many AWARE members
> >> > contributed. Randall has spoken to AWARE in support of WEFT on many
> >> > occasions, and he has shown no signs of the psychological problems
> >> > attributed to him by Mr. Madden. I have also been a paid member of
>WEFT
> >>for
> >> > the past two years. If a formal apology for Mr. Madden's outburst is
> >>not
> >> > forthcoming, I will not be contributing to WEFT in the future, and if
> >>WEFT
> >> > sends people to AWARE meetings asking for money, I'll be sure to
>remind
> >>them
> >> > of the dog that bit the hand that fed them.
> >> >
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> >
> >> > Phil Stinard
> >> > WEFT Member (for now)
> >>
> >> Why would anyone think for one second that an e-mail to an open list,
> >> from
> >>someone with no office or authority at WEFT at all, just another of our
> >>many,
> >>variously wacky Associates, would possibly be speaking for WEFT? Or
>that
> >>WEFT
> >>is responsible for his opinions? We put out FM, not mind control
> >>ays... -cmb
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:04:38 -0700 (PDT)
> >> >>From: Linda Evans <veganlinda at yahoo.com>
> >> >>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all
> >> >> charges be made public
> >> >>To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> >> >>Message-ID: <20050916010438.58638.qmail at web60714.mail.yahoo.com>
> >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >> >>
> >> >>Since this was addressed to AWARE, I thought some on
> >> >>this list might want to see it...for what it is worth.
> >> >>
> >> >>Linda
> >> >>--- DJM <DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
> >> >> > From: DJM <DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org>
> >> >> > To: "WEFT Aa" <wefta at weftfm.org>
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges
> >> >> > be made public
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To: Randall Cotton, as well as any interested
> >> >> > wefties and/or A.W.A.R.E peacemongers (btw, nice
> >> >> > peace you're creating around here);
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I came to this process with an open mind, ok, an
> >> >> > ignorant mind--didn't know nothin' 'bout none of it.
> >> >> > In the beginning I was actually "for" you, whatever
> >> >> > that means--heck, you've still got me on your
> >> >> > special list of supposed supporters (gee, should
> >> >> > those little notices be made public too?). However,
> >> >> > with absolutely no help from anyone else, you have
> >> >> > convinced me that you have some serious emotional
> >> >> > dragons that you're trying to slay via WEFT as
> >> >> > proxy. What else but emotional and mental
> >> >> > dysfunction would compell a person to fight so hard
> >> >> > to stay where so many don't want him. You are so
> >> >> > thoroughly loathed that even if you are not recalled
> >> >> > as a board member, you will not be permitted onto
> >> >> > the premises at 113 N Market Street. All this
> >> >> > crapola you're throwing around has turned from smoke
> >> >> > screen to smoke signal, and it screams HELP ME!
> >> >> > Randall, sincerely, how may we help? (and, please,
> >> >> > get a clue, don't rehash all your weft-a clutter,
> >> >> > spare yourself the embarassment and quit wasting the
> >> >> > time of those who actually care about WEFT, and may
> >> >> > even care about you. I do, or I wouldn't bother
> >> >> > hangin' my ass out like this so your "supporters"
> >> >> > can take bites out of it)
> >> >> > What's keeping you from throwing your energy into
> >> >> > helping Radio Free Urbana? Randall, just think of
> >> >> > all that expertise you'd bring to the table, and you
> >> >> > may even be welcome. A.W.A.R.E. must need you too.
> >> >> > Please, Randall, think about what you're doing. No,
> >> >> > not about you and/or what you're saying--think about
> >> >> > what you are doing. You can manage that without
> >> >> > speaking out loud or typing, trust me.
> >> >> > Kind Regards,
> >> >> > David J Madden
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > From: "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net>
> >> >> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:58:17 -0500
> >> >> > To: <wefta at lists.chambana.net>
> >> >> > Subject: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges be
> >> >> > made public
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For the sake of fairness, I call for the immediate
> >> >> > airing of all complaints
> >> >> > and allegations against me so that they can be
> >> >> > discussed, evaluated and
> >> >> > perhaps proven or refuted prior to the recall vote
> >> >> > on Sep. 20th.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rhonda and Euan have made some complaints and
> >> >> > charges. Jason Greenly (the
> >> >> > third person calling for my recall) hasn't spoken
> >> >> > yet. David Witzany has
> >> >> > suggested he may speak against me. I appeal to these
> >> >> > folks and anyone else
> >> >> > who may speak against me to reveal all allegations
> >> >> > and complaints now.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It would be grossly unfair to wait until the Sep.
> >> >> > 20th meeting for this. In
> >> >> > particular, I would not be able to prepare an
> >> >> > adequate defense against
> >> >> > charges sprung during the meeting. While those who
> >> >> > accuse me would have
> >> >> > unrestricted time and resources to prepare their
> >> >> > case against me, I would
> >> >> > only be limited to on-the-spot remarks within a
> >> >> > short, timed verbal response
> >> >> > under extreme emotional pressure without the benefit
> >> >> > of witnesses, evidence
> >> >> > or the time necessary to assemble these into an
> >> >> > adequate rebuttal.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In the spirit of due process and plain common-sense
> >> >> > fairness, I deserve to
> >> >> > know the complaints and allegations against me ahead
> >> >> > of time.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > R
> >> >> >
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