[Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges bemade public

[Sandra Ahten]

Phil, You really can't expect an apology from the WEFT board members... they 
might not even be monitoring the WEFT-A list. It is for WEFT associates. To 
issue an apology *as* a WEFT board member, they would, I think, need to meet 
as a board and decide to do that.

That seems unnecessary, as Dave Madden's comments, though stupid and 
offensive were clearly his own opinion. Let's let this one go, as Paul 
suggested.

I really do think we all need to have more fun. Maybe we can do it at 
WEFT-fest. I hope so.

Sandra



>From: "Phil Stinard" <pstinard at hotmail.com>
>To: pmking at uiuc.edu
>CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges 
>bemade public
>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:17:14 -0500
>
>Paul,
>
>Thanks for your wise words of peace.  It's refreshing.  Mr. Madden did come 
>in to the Peace-Discuss list, trash Randall and basically call him mentally 
>unbalanced, and make some catty comments about AWARE.  He's written to me 
>personally saying that he apologized to Randall, although he was pretty 
>cold to me.  I also got a twisted, threatening email from another WEFT 
>associate.
>
>When I wrote my reply to the Peace-Discuss list (and CC'd WEFT because it 
>had been crossposted there), I spoke only for myself, and made it clear on 
>what I would do personally if this wasn't resolved to my satisfaction.  I'm 
>weighing all of the information that I'm receiving, and overall, with the 
>exception of your email, it's not good!
>
>Regardless of what the WEFT board thinks about Randall, it sure wouldn't be 
>hard for them to issue a disclaimer about an antagonistic email, would it?  
>It would save me having to sort through a bunch of conflicting statements 
>on what Mr. Madden did and didn't mean.
>
>--Phil
>
>PS -- My feelings aren't hurt.  Rather, I feel antagonized and insulted.  
>My anger will pass in time, but I'll never forget the antagonism I 
>experienced at the hand of WEFT members just for raising the issue of a 
>clearly unjust posting to the Peace-Discuss list.
>
>
>>From: "Paul M. King" <pmking at uiuc.edu>
>>To: Phil Stinard <pstinard at hotmail.com>, peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges 
>>be made	public
>>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:42:31 -0500
>>
>>Hi Phil,
>>
>>I'm an airshifter at WEFT and I've been involved in AWARE in
>>the past. I currently host The Courier on Wednesdays. I'm not
>>a board member, but I know for certain that Dave's opinion
>>does not represent mine. Just like no one member speaks for
>>all of AWARE, no one member speaks for all of WEFT,
>>particularly on an open listserv. Dave has expressed a
>>personal opinion. Period. To ask for the Board of Directors to
>>issue an apology for this is unnecessarily quarrelsome and
>>contentious.
>>
>>Please, let's work for peace. We do not need to create this
>>rift between our organizations. WEFT is a good place with lots
>>of good people. Let's not forget the tremendous good it has
>>brought to our community when it undergoes difficult episodes
>>in its history. AWARE and WEFT are unique organizations that
>>have done so much good. I believe the true stength of our
>>organizations comes from the fact that our ideals, passions
>>and aspirations transcend individual personalities.
>>
>>I'm sorry that Dave may have hurt your feelings.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>..:: Paul King
>>
>>
>>
>>---- Original message ----
>> >Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:17:58 -0500
>> >From: "Phil Stinard" <pstinard at hotmail.com>
>> >Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all
>>charges be made public
>> >To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> >
>> >Hello Chas,
>> >
>> >Mr. Madden's email came out of the blue to AWARE's
>>Peace-Discuss list, and
>> >since he apparently is not a list subscriber (since Linda had
>>to forward
>> >it), we have NO WAY of knowing what his intentions are, or
>>who he
>> >respresents, nor do we really care, except that if he appears
>>to speak for
>> >WEFT as some kind of emissary to AWARE (which is a
>>reasonable, if incorrect,
>> >assumption) and speaks a bunch of crap, we'd like
>>confirmation of whether he
>> >is indeed speaking on behalf of WEFT.  You have not answered
>>that question
>> >to my satisfaction since you do not claim to represent WEFT.
>>  A simple
>> >statement from WEFT board members that he does not represent
>>the views of
>> >WEFT or their associates WOULD be satisfactory.
>> >
>> >--Phil Stinard
>> >
>> >>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:53:43 -0500
>> >>From: "Chas. 'Mark' Bee" <c-bee1 at itg.uiuc.edu>
>> >>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all
>> >>	charges be	madepublic
>> >>To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> >>Message-ID: <00a701c5badf$322f9660$b87e7e82 at scribe>
>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> >>	reply-type=response
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Phil Stinard" <pstinard at hotmail.com>
>> >>To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> >>Cc: <wefta at weftfm.org>; <mwoolf at prairienet.org>;
>><witzany at uiuc.edu>;
>> >><DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org>
>> >>Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:15 AM
>> >>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all
>>charges be
>> >>madepublic
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Dear Linda,
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for bringing this to the attention of AWARE, "for
>>what it's
>> >>worth."
>> >> > Mr. Madden apparently is claiming that he is speaking on
>>behalf of WEFT
>> >>when
>> >> > he states that "You [Randall] are so thoroughly loathed
>>that even if you
>> >>are
>> >> > not recalled as a board member, you will not be permitted
>>onto the
>> >>premises
>> >> > at 113 N Market Street" and when he refers to "A.W.A.R.E
>>peacemongers
>> >>(btw,
>> >> > nice peace you're creating around here)."  If he is not
>>speaking on
>> >>behalf
>> >> > of WEFT, then I ask WEFT to issue a clarification and an
>>apology.  If he
>> >>is
>> >> > speaking on behalf of WEFT, then I would ask WEFT to
>>remember that they
>> >>sent
>> >> > a group of board members to an AWARE meeting during their
>>pledge drive
>> >> > earlier this year and took a collection, to which many
>>AWARE members
>> >> > contributed.  Randall has spoken to AWARE in support of
>>WEFT on many
>> >> > occasions, and he has shown no signs of the psychological
>>problems
>> >> > attributed to him by Mr. Madden.  I have also been a paid
>>member of WEFT
>> >>for
>> >> > the past two years.  If a formal apology for Mr. Madden's
>>outburst is
>> >>not
>> >> > forthcoming, I will not be contributing to WEFT in the
>>future, and if
>> >>WEFT
>> >> > sends people to AWARE meetings asking for money, I'll be
>>sure to remind
>> >>them
>> >> > of the dog that bit the hand that fed them.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sincerely,
>> >> >
>> >> > Phil Stinard
>> >> > WEFT Member (for now)
>> >>
>> >>   Why would anyone think for one second that an e-mail to
>>an open list,
>> >>from
>> >>someone with no office or authority at WEFT at all, just
>>another of our
>> >>many,
>> >>variously wacky Associates, would possibly be speaking for
>>WEFT?  Or that
>> >>WEFT
>> >>is responsible for his opinions?  We put out FM, not mind
>>control
>> >>ays...  -cmb
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:04:38 -0700 (PDT)
>> >> >>From: Linda Evans <veganlinda at yahoo.com>
>> >> >>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton
>>asks all
>> >> >> charges be made public
>> >> >>To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> >> >>Message-ID:
>><20050916010438.58638.qmail at web60714.mail.yahoo.com>
>> >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Since this was addressed to AWARE, I thought some on
>> >> >>this list might want to see it...for what it is worth.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Linda
>> >> >>--- DJM <DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
>> >> >> > From: DJM <DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org>
>> >> >> > To: "WEFT  Aa" <wefta at weftfm.org>
>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges
>> >> >> > be made public
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > To: Randall Cotton, as well as any interested
>> >> >> > wefties and/or A.W.A.R.E peacemongers (btw, nice
>> >> >> > peace you're creating around here);
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I came to this process with an open mind, ok, an
>> >> >> > ignorant mind--didn't know nothin' 'bout none of it.
>> >> >> > In the beginning I was actually "for" you, whatever
>> >> >> > that means--heck, you've still got me on your
>> >> >> > special list of supposed supporters (gee, should
>> >> >> > those little notices be made public too?). However,
>> >> >> > with absolutely no help from anyone else, you have
>> >> >> > convinced me that you have some serious emotional
>> >> >> > dragons that you're trying to slay via WEFT as
>> >> >> > proxy. What else but emotional and mental
>> >> >> > dysfunction would compell a person to fight so hard
>> >> >> > to stay where so many don't want him. You are so
>> >> >> > thoroughly loathed that even if you are not recalled
>> >> >> > as a board member, you will not be permitted onto
>> >> >> > the premises at 113 N Market Street. All this
>> >> >> > crapola you're throwing around has turned from smoke
>> >> >> > screen to smoke signal, and it screams HELP ME!
>> >> >> > Randall, sincerely, how may we help? (and, please,
>> >> >> > get a clue, don't rehash all your weft-a clutter,
>> >> >> > spare yourself the embarassment and quit wasting the
>> >> >> > time of those who actually care about WEFT, and may
>> >> >> > even care about you. I do, or I wouldn't bother
>> >> >> > hangin' my ass out like this so your "supporters"
>> >> >> > can take bites out of it)
>> >> >> > What's keeping you from throwing your energy into
>> >> >> > helping Radio Free Urbana? Randall, just think of
>> >> >> > all that expertise you'd bring to the table, and you
>> >> >> > may even be welcome.  A.W.A.R.E. must need you too.
>> >> >> > Please, Randall, think about what you're doing. No,
>> >> >> > not about you and/or what you're saying--think about
>> >> >> > what you are doing. You can manage that without
>> >> >> > speaking out loud or typing, trust me.
>> >> >> > Kind Regards,
>> >> >> > David J Madden
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --- "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > From: "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net>
>> >> >> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:58:17 -0500
>> >> >> > To: <wefta at lists.chambana.net>
>> >> >> > Subject: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges be
>> >> >> > made public
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For the sake of fairness, I call for the immediate
>> >> >> > airing of all complaints
>> >> >> > and allegations against me so that they can be
>> >> >> > discussed, evaluated and
>> >> >> > perhaps proven or refuted prior to the recall vote
>> >> >> > on Sep. 20th.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rhonda and Euan have made some complaints and
>> >> >> > charges. Jason Greenly (the
>> >> >> > third person calling for my recall) hasn't spoken
>> >> >> > yet. David Witzany has
>> >> >> > suggested he may speak against me. I appeal to these
>> >> >> > folks and anyone else
>> >> >> > who may speak against me to reveal all allegations
>> >> >> > and complaints now.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It would be grossly unfair to wait until the Sep.
>> >> >> > 20th meeting for this. In
>> >> >> > particular, I would not be able to prepare an
>> >> >> > adequate defense against
>> >> >> > charges sprung during the meeting. While those who
>> >> >> > accuse me would have
>> >> >> > unrestricted time and resources to prepare their
>> >> >> > case against me, I would
>> >> >> > only be limited to on-the-spot remarks within a
>> >> >> > short, timed verbal response
>> >> >> > under extreme emotional pressure without the benefit
>> >> >> > of witnesses, evidence
>> >> >> > or the time necessary to assemble these into an
>> >> >> > adequate rebuttal.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In the spirit of due process and plain common-sense
>> >> >> > fairness, I deserve to
>> >> >> > know the complaints and allegations against me ahead
>> >> >> > of time.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks
>> >> >> > R
>> >> >> >
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