[Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges be made public

[Phil Stinard]

Paul,

Thanks for your wise words of peace.  It's refreshing.  Mr. Madden did come 
in to the Peace-Discuss list, trash Randall and basically call him mentally 
unbalanced, and make some catty comments about AWARE.  He's written to me 
personally saying that he apologized to Randall, although he was pretty cold 
to me.  I also got a twisted, threatening email from another WEFT associate.

When I wrote my reply to the Peace-Discuss list (and CC'd WEFT because it 
had been crossposted there), I spoke only for myself, and made it clear on 
what I would do personally if this wasn't resolved to my satisfaction.  I'm 
weighing all of the information that I'm receiving, and overall, with the 
exception of your email, it's not good!

Regardless of what the WEFT board thinks about Randall, it sure wouldn't be 
hard for them to issue a disclaimer about an antagonistic email, would it?  
It would save me having to sort through a bunch of conflicting statements on 
what Mr. Madden did and didn't mean.

--Phil

PS -- My feelings aren't hurt.  Rather, I feel antagonized and insulted.  My 
anger will pass in time, but I'll never forget the antagonism I experienced 
at the hand of WEFT members just for raising the issue of a clearly unjust 
posting to the Peace-Discuss list.


>From: "Paul M. King" <pmking at uiuc.edu>
>To: Phil Stinard <pstinard at hotmail.com>, peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges be 
>made	public
>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:42:31 -0500
>
>Hi Phil,
>
>I'm an airshifter at WEFT and I've been involved in AWARE in
>the past. I currently host The Courier on Wednesdays. I'm not
>a board member, but I know for certain that Dave's opinion
>does not represent mine. Just like no one member speaks for
>all of AWARE, no one member speaks for all of WEFT,
>particularly on an open listserv. Dave has expressed a
>personal opinion. Period. To ask for the Board of Directors to
>issue an apology for this is unnecessarily quarrelsome and
>contentious.
>
>Please, let's work for peace. We do not need to create this
>rift between our organizations. WEFT is a good place with lots
>of good people. Let's not forget the tremendous good it has
>brought to our community when it undergoes difficult episodes
>in its history. AWARE and WEFT are unique organizations that
>have done so much good. I believe the true stength of our
>organizations comes from the fact that our ideals, passions
>and aspirations transcend individual personalities.
>
>I'm sorry that Dave may have hurt your feelings.
>
>Sincerely,
>..:: Paul King
>
>
>
>---- Original message ----
> >Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:17:58 -0500
> >From: "Phil Stinard" <pstinard at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all
>charges be made public
> >To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> >
> >Hello Chas,
> >
> >Mr. Madden's email came out of the blue to AWARE's
>Peace-Discuss list, and
> >since he apparently is not a list subscriber (since Linda had
>to forward
> >it), we have NO WAY of knowing what his intentions are, or
>who he
> >respresents, nor do we really care, except that if he appears
>to speak for
> >WEFT as some kind of emissary to AWARE (which is a
>reasonable, if incorrect,
> >assumption) and speaks a bunch of crap, we'd like
>confirmation of whether he
> >is indeed speaking on behalf of WEFT.  You have not answered
>that question
> >to my satisfaction since you do not claim to represent WEFT.
>  A simple
> >statement from WEFT board members that he does not represent
>the views of
> >WEFT or their associates WOULD be satisfactory.
> >
> >--Phil Stinard
> >
> >>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:53:43 -0500
> >>From: "Chas. 'Mark' Bee" <c-bee1 at itg.uiuc.edu>
> >>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all
> >>	charges be	madepublic
> >>To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> >>Message-ID: <00a701c5badf$322f9660$b87e7e82 at scribe>
> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >>	reply-type=response
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Phil Stinard" <pstinard at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> >>Cc: <wefta at weftfm.org>; <mwoolf at prairienet.org>;
><witzany at uiuc.edu>;
> >><DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org>
> >>Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:15 AM
> >>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all
>charges be
> >>madepublic
> >>
> >>
> >> > Dear Linda,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for bringing this to the attention of AWARE, "for
>what it's
> >>worth."
> >> > Mr. Madden apparently is claiming that he is speaking on
>behalf of WEFT
> >>when
> >> > he states that "You [Randall] are so thoroughly loathed
>that even if you
> >>are
> >> > not recalled as a board member, you will not be permitted
>onto the
> >>premises
> >> > at 113 N Market Street" and when he refers to "A.W.A.R.E
>peacemongers
> >>(btw,
> >> > nice peace you're creating around here)."  If he is not
>speaking on
> >>behalf
> >> > of WEFT, then I ask WEFT to issue a clarification and an
>apology.  If he
> >>is
> >> > speaking on behalf of WEFT, then I would ask WEFT to
>remember that they
> >>sent
> >> > a group of board members to an AWARE meeting during their
>pledge drive
> >> > earlier this year and took a collection, to which many
>AWARE members
> >> > contributed.  Randall has spoken to AWARE in support of
>WEFT on many
> >> > occasions, and he has shown no signs of the psychological
>problems
> >> > attributed to him by Mr. Madden.  I have also been a paid
>member of WEFT
> >>for
> >> > the past two years.  If a formal apology for Mr. Madden's
>outburst is
> >>not
> >> > forthcoming, I will not be contributing to WEFT in the
>future, and if
> >>WEFT
> >> > sends people to AWARE meetings asking for money, I'll be
>sure to remind
> >>them
> >> > of the dog that bit the hand that fed them.
> >> >
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> >
> >> > Phil Stinard
> >> > WEFT Member (for now)
> >>
> >>   Why would anyone think for one second that an e-mail to
>an open list,
> >>from
> >>someone with no office or authority at WEFT at all, just
>another of our
> >>many,
> >>variously wacky Associates, would possibly be speaking for
>WEFT?  Or that
> >>WEFT
> >>is responsible for his opinions?  We put out FM, not mind
>control
> >>ays...  -cmb
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:04:38 -0700 (PDT)
> >> >>From: Linda Evans <veganlinda at yahoo.com>
> >> >>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton
>asks all
> >> >> charges be made public
> >> >>To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> >> >>Message-ID:
><20050916010438.58638.qmail at web60714.mail.yahoo.com>
> >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >> >>
> >> >>Since this was addressed to AWARE, I thought some on
> >> >>this list might want to see it...for what it is worth.
> >> >>
> >> >>Linda
> >> >>--- DJM <DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
> >> >> > From: DJM <DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org>
> >> >> > To: "WEFT  Aa" <wefta at weftfm.org>
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges
> >> >> > be made public
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To: Randall Cotton, as well as any interested
> >> >> > wefties and/or A.W.A.R.E peacemongers (btw, nice
> >> >> > peace you're creating around here);
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I came to this process with an open mind, ok, an
> >> >> > ignorant mind--didn't know nothin' 'bout none of it.
> >> >> > In the beginning I was actually "for" you, whatever
> >> >> > that means--heck, you've still got me on your
> >> >> > special list of supposed supporters (gee, should
> >> >> > those little notices be made public too?). However,
> >> >> > with absolutely no help from anyone else, you have
> >> >> > convinced me that you have some serious emotional
> >> >> > dragons that you're trying to slay via WEFT as
> >> >> > proxy. What else but emotional and mental
> >> >> > dysfunction would compell a person to fight so hard
> >> >> > to stay where so many don't want him. You are so
> >> >> > thoroughly loathed that even if you are not recalled
> >> >> > as a board member, you will not be permitted onto
> >> >> > the premises at 113 N Market Street. All this
> >> >> > crapola you're throwing around has turned from smoke
> >> >> > screen to smoke signal, and it screams HELP ME!
> >> >> > Randall, sincerely, how may we help? (and, please,
> >> >> > get a clue, don't rehash all your weft-a clutter,
> >> >> > spare yourself the embarassment and quit wasting the
> >> >> > time of those who actually care about WEFT, and may
> >> >> > even care about you. I do, or I wouldn't bother
> >> >> > hangin' my ass out like this so your "supporters"
> >> >> > can take bites out of it)
> >> >> > What's keeping you from throwing your energy into
> >> >> > helping Radio Free Urbana? Randall, just think of
> >> >> > all that expertise you'd bring to the table, and you
> >> >> > may even be welcome.  A.W.A.R.E. must need you too.
> >> >> > Please, Randall, think about what you're doing. No,
> >> >> > not about you and/or what you're saying--think about
> >> >> > what you are doing. You can manage that without
> >> >> > speaking out loud or typing, trust me.
> >> >> > Kind Regards,
> >> >> > David J Madden
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > From: "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net>
> >> >> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:58:17 -0500
> >> >> > To: <wefta at lists.chambana.net>
> >> >> > Subject: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges be
> >> >> > made public
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For the sake of fairness, I call for the immediate
> >> >> > airing of all complaints
> >> >> > and allegations against me so that they can be
> >> >> > discussed, evaluated and
> >> >> > perhaps proven or refuted prior to the recall vote
> >> >> > on Sep. 20th.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rhonda and Euan have made some complaints and
> >> >> > charges. Jason Greenly (the
> >> >> > third person calling for my recall) hasn't spoken
> >> >> > yet. David Witzany has
> >> >> > suggested he may speak against me. I appeal to these
> >> >> > folks and anyone else
> >> >> > who may speak against me to reveal all allegations
> >> >> > and complaints now.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It would be grossly unfair to wait until the Sep.
> >> >> > 20th meeting for this. In
> >> >> > particular, I would not be able to prepare an
> >> >> > adequate defense against
> >> >> > charges sprung during the meeting. While those who
> >> >> > accuse me would have
> >> >> > unrestricted time and resources to prepare their
> >> >> > case against me, I would
> >> >> > only be limited to on-the-spot remarks within a
> >> >> > short, timed verbal response
> >> >> > under extreme emotional pressure without the benefit
> >> >> > of witnesses, evidence
> >> >> > or the time necessary to assemble these into an
> >> >> > adequate rebuttal.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In the spirit of due process and plain common-sense
> >> >> > fairness, I deserve to
> >> >> > know the complaints and allegations against me ahead
> >> >> > of time.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > R
> >> >> >
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