[Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all charges be made public

[Linda Evans]

Believe it or not I didn't forward the post to start
anything except possibly discussion between AWARE
folks.  I have been on the wefta list for about two
years and I have tried to help out at WEFT, but had
more money than time until recently so now I'm trying
to give my time.  I am saddened and frustrated that it
is assumed that anyone involved in AWARE would blindly
support Randall without knowing the facts of the case
and I'm upset that any AWARE member is not suspect
when volunteering for WEFT.  I didn't state this
before because I didn't want to put my feelings on
what people choose to take from the email.  

A very active member of the community warned me that
AWARE members involving themselves in this case when
they have had no previous or little previous
involvement in WEFT would look like "parachuting". 
People in organizations do not take "parachuting"
well...this is similar to what we did with the NAACP. 

I am not saying we shouldn't get involved...everyone
has to make that choice on their own.   But, since
we've talked so much about burning bridges and AWARE's
image in the community lately I thought we should know
what some were thinking and writing about the group.  

It is a mistake for anyone to lump people together
just because they happen to have some organization in
common.  The members of WEFT and the members of AWARE
are all individuals (who, I agree with Sandra, need to
get out a party...Prince Myshkins will be a WEFTfest)
and rarely (if ever) would any one of us be able to
speak for the entire organization.

Take a deep breath everyone,

Linda

--- Phil Stinard <pstinard at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Chas,
> 
> Mr. Madden's email came out of the blue to AWARE's
> Peace-Discuss list, and 
> since he apparently is not a list subscriber (since
> Linda had to forward 
> it), we have NO WAY of knowing what his intentions
> are, or who he 
> respresents, nor do we really care, except that if
> he appears to speak for 
> WEFT as some kind of emissary to AWARE (which is a
> reasonable, if incorrect, 
> assumption) and speaks a bunch of crap, we'd like
> confirmation of whether he 
> is indeed speaking on behalf of WEFT.  You have not
> answered that question 
> to my satisfaction since you do not claim to
> represent WEFT.  A simple 
> statement from WEFT board members that he does not
> represent the views of 
> WEFT or their associates WOULD be satisfactory.
> 
> --Phil Stinard
> 
> >Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:53:43 -0500
> >From: "Chas. 'Mark' Bee" <c-bee1 at itg.uiuc.edu>
> >Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall
> Cotton asks all
> >	charges be	madepublic
> >To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> >Message-ID: <00a701c5badf$322f9660$b87e7e82 at scribe>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> >	reply-type=response
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Phil Stinard" <pstinard at hotmail.com>
> >To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> >Cc: <wefta at weftfm.org>; <mwoolf at prairienet.org>;
> <witzany at uiuc.edu>;
> ><DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org>
> >Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:15 AM
> >Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton
> asks all charges be
> >madepublic
> >
> >
> > > Dear Linda,
> > >
> > > Thanks for bringing this to the attention of
> AWARE, "for what it's 
> >worth."
> > > Mr. Madden apparently is claiming that he is
> speaking on behalf of WEFT 
> >when
> > > he states that "You [Randall] are so thoroughly
> loathed that even if you 
> >are
> > > not recalled as a board member, you will not be
> permitted onto the 
> >premises
> > > at 113 N Market Street" and when he refers to
> "A.W.A.R.E peacemongers 
> >(btw,
> > > nice peace you're creating around here)."  If he
> is not speaking on 
> >behalf
> > > of WEFT, then I ask WEFT to issue a
> clarification and an apology.  If he 
> >is
> > > speaking on behalf of WEFT, then I would ask
> WEFT to remember that they 
> >sent
> > > a group of board members to an AWARE meeting
> during their pledge drive
> > > earlier this year and took a collection, to
> which many AWARE members
> > > contributed.  Randall has spoken to AWARE in
> support of WEFT on many
> > > occasions, and he has shown no signs of the
> psychological problems
> > > attributed to him by Mr. Madden.  I have also
> been a paid member of WEFT 
> >for
> > > the past two years.  If a formal apology for Mr.
> Madden's outburst is 
> >not
> > > forthcoming, I will not be contributing to WEFT
> in the future, and if 
> >WEFT
> > > sends people to AWARE meetings asking for money,
> I'll be sure to remind 
> >them
> > > of the dog that bit the hand that fed them.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Phil Stinard
> > > WEFT Member (for now)
> >
> >   Why would anyone think for one second that an
> e-mail to an open list, 
> >from
> >someone with no office or authority at WEFT at all,
> just another of our 
> >many,
> >variously wacky Associates, would possibly be
> speaking for WEFT?  Or that 
> >WEFT
> >is responsible for his opinions?  We put out FM,
> not mind control
> >ays...  -cmb
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:04:38 -0700 (PDT)
> > >>From: Linda Evans <veganlinda at yahoo.com>
> > >>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Re: [Wefta]
> Randall Cotton asks all
> > >> charges be made public
> > >>To: Peace Discuss
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > >>Message-ID:
> <20050916010438.58638.qmail at web60714.mail.yahoo.com>
> > >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > >>
> > >>Since this was addressed to AWARE, I thought
> some on
> > >>this list might want to see it...for what it is
> worth.
> > >>
> > >>Linda
> > >>--- DJM <DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > >> > From: DJM <DarkMatter at hypocrisy.org>
> > >> > To: "WEFT  Aa" <wefta at weftfm.org>
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Wefta] Randall Cotton asks all
> charges
> > >> > be made public
> > >> >
> > >> > To: Randall Cotton, as well as any interested
> > >> > wefties and/or A.W.A.R.E peacemongers (btw,
> nice
> > >> > peace you're creating around here);
> > >> >
> > >> > I came to this process with an open mind, ok,
> an
> > >> > ignorant mind--didn't know nothin' 'bout none
> of it.
> > >> > In the beginning I was actually "for" you,
> whatever
> > >> > that means--heck, you've still got me on your
> > >> > special list of supposed supporters (gee,
> should
> > >> > those little notices be made public too?).
> However,
> > >> > with absolutely no help from anyone else, you
> have
> > >> > convinced me that you have some serious
> emotional
> > >> > dragons that you're trying to slay via WEFT
> as
> > >> > proxy. What else but emotional and mental
> > >> > dysfunction would compell a person to fight
> so hard
> > >> > to stay where so many don't want him. You are
> so
> > >> > thoroughly loathed that even if you are not
> recalled
> > >> > as a board member, you will not be permitted
> onto
> > >> > the premises at 113 N Market Street. All this
> > >> > crapola you're throwing around has turned
> from smoke
> > >> > screen to smoke signal, and it screams HELP
> ME!
> > >> > Randall, sincerely, how may we help? (and,
> please,
> > >> > get a clue, don't rehash all your weft-a
> clutter,
> > >> > spare yourself the embarassment and quit
> wasting the
> > >> > time of those who actually care about WEFT,
> and may
> > >> > even care about you. I do, or I wouldn't
> bother
> > >> > hangin' my ass out like this so your
> "supporters"
> > >> > can take bites out of it)
> > >> > What's keeping you from throwing your energy
> into
> > >> > helping Radio Free Urbana? Randall, just
> think of
> > >> > all that expertise you'd bring to the table,
> and you
> > >> > may even be welcome.  A.W.A.R.E. must need
> you too.
> > >> > Please, Randall, think about what you're
> doing. No,
> 
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