[Peace-discuss] Hawaii to Iraq

[David Green]

I think that Kinzer does a great service, but I would
have at least one concern. From the portions of the
interview yesterday on DN that I saw, he seems to be
saying that--for example--if only we hadn't overthrown
Mossadegh in 1953, we would have had a liberal
democracy in Iran all these years, and wouldn't the
whole Middle East look different, implying that our
leaders would be happy with that. Well, yes it would,
and no they wouldn't, and that's exactly why we
wouldn't allow that to happen. Kinzer still subscribes
(I think) to the "good intentions gone wrong" version
of history, rather than imperial intentions done well,
if messily, with too many dead bodies left behind. We
put a lot of effort into making sure that Arab
nationalism could not set a bad example for the Middle
East--in Iraq in 1958, in Egypt in 1967, etc. We put a
lot of effort into making sure that Saudi Arabia does
not become democratic, or Kuwiat, for that matter.

David Green


--- Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Beautiful.  I haven't seen the book.  Has anyone out
> there in AWARE cyber-land?
> 
> Seems to possibly skip over the racist element among
> the anti-imperialists, which I was mentioning not
> long
> ago on this list, but it still sounds like a
> wonderful
> read...
> 
> Ricky
> 
> --- Robert Naiman  <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > To: SFcore <sf-core at yahoogroups.com>
> > From: "Robert Naiman " <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:28:05 -0500
> > Subject: [sf-core] Stephen Kinzer on Democracy
> Now:
> > America's Century of Regime Change
> > 
> > This is classic:
> > 
> > * Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change
> from
> > Hawaii to Iraq *
> > 
> > Author Stephen Kinzer discusses his new book,
> > "Overthrow: America's Century
> > of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq." In it, he
> > writes that the invasion of
> > Iraq "was the culmination of a 110-year period
> > during which Americans
> > overthrew fourteen governments that displeased
> them
> > for various ideological,
> > political, and economic reasons."
> > 
> > Listen/Watch/Read
> >
>
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/21/132247
> > 
> 
> 
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