[Peace-discuss] Hawaii to Iraq

[Ricky Baldwin]

That's really too bad.

--- David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I think that Kinzer does a great service, but I
> would
> have at least one concern. From the portions of the
> interview yesterday on DN that I saw, he seems to be
> saying that--for example--if only we hadn't
> overthrown
> Mossadegh in 1953, we would have had a liberal
> democracy in Iran all these years, and wouldn't the
> whole Middle East look different, implying that our
> leaders would be happy with that. Well, yes it
> would,
> and no they wouldn't, and that's exactly why we
> wouldn't allow that to happen. Kinzer still
> subscribes
> (I think) to the "good intentions gone wrong"
> version
> of history, rather than imperial intentions done
> well,
> if messily, with too many dead bodies left behind.
> We
> put a lot of effort into making sure that Arab
> nationalism could not set a bad example for the
> Middle
> East--in Iraq in 1958, in Egypt in 1967, etc. We put
> a
> lot of effort into making sure that Saudi Arabia
> does
> not become democratic, or Kuwiat, for that matter.
> 
> David Green
> 
> 
> --- Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Beautiful.  I haven't seen the book.  Has anyone
> out
> > there in AWARE cyber-land?
> > 
> > Seems to possibly skip over the racist element
> among
> > the anti-imperialists, which I was mentioning not
> > long
> > ago on this list, but it still sounds like a
> > wonderful
> > read...
> > 
> > Ricky
> > 
> > --- Robert Naiman  <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > To: SFcore <sf-core at yahoogroups.com>
> > > From: "Robert Naiman " <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
> > > Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:28:05 -0500
> > > Subject: [sf-core] Stephen Kinzer on Democracy
> > Now:
> > > America's Century of Regime Change
> > > 
> > > This is classic:
> > > 
> > > * Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change
> > from
> > > Hawaii to Iraq *
> > > 
> > > Author Stephen Kinzer discusses his new book,
> > > "Overthrow: America's Century
> > > of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq." In it, he
> > > writes that the invasion of
> > > Iraq "was the culmination of a 110-year period
> > > during which Americans
> > > overthrew fourteen governments that displeased
> > them
> > > for various ideological,
> > > political, and economic reasons."
> > > 
> > > Listen/Watch/Read
> > >
> >
>
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/21/132247
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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