[Peace-discuss] leaders when they are wrong

[Ricky Baldwin]

Well, the Alinsky/Cesar Chavez/ACORN/etc. answer is
that you convert one person at a time, over and over,
(preferably face to face) until all these little drops
add up to a flood...

Still a pretty good method, in my book, if
infrequently used.

Ricky

--- "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:

> At 03:25 PM 3/21/2006, Karen Medina wrote:
> 
> > > Schieffer: you played down the insurgency 10
> months ago. You said it
> > > was in its last throes.
> >
> > > Cheney: "the statements we've made, which I
> think were basically
> > > accurate and reflect reality..."
> >
> >Because confronting them with their contradictions
> doesn't seem to be
> >working...
> >
> >Cheney and Bush will never say they are/were wrong,
> just as Saddam
> >Hussein will never say that he did anything wrong.
> I think that even to
> >their last breaths will they hold to their beliefs
> that they were right, like
> >Milosevic, they believe they are heroes. They have
> been lieing to
> >themselves from day one.
> 
> Likewise, Hermann Goerring (spelling?) went to his
> death after the 
> Nuremburg Trials convinced that he had done the
> right thing.  During his 
> trial he was smug, even when confronted with
> overwhelming evidence of Nazi 
> brutality.  To these people, the end justifies ANY
> means.  And they're 
> convinced that their ends are pure.
> 
> 
> >What I don't get is how human beings stop lieing to
> themselves? I mean,
> >sure, as human beings we all tell ourselves little
> lies, but most of us later
> >come to realize that we were wrong and at least
> admit it to ourselves.
> 
> Do we?  I can think of many counter-examples from my
> own life 
> experience.  Of course, the stuff we do, and lie to
> ourselves about, 
> doesn't impact as many lives as the actions of
> government leaders.
> 
> 
> >But how do we get to that point of honest personal
> reflection?
> >
> >Then how do we get our leaders to do this and stop
> their madness?
> 
> These are excellent questions.  These are questions
> for the ages.  I have 
> Biblical answers if anyone wants to hear them. 
> Otherwise I got nothin'.  :-)
> 
> John Wason
> 
> 
> 
> >-karen medina
> >
> >=================================
> > >     Bob Schieffer: “Mr. Vice President,
> all along
> > > Â Â Â Â the government has been very optimistic.
> You
> > > Â Â Â Â remain optimistic. But I remember when
> you were
> > > Â Â Â Â saying we'd be greeted as liberators,
> you played
> > > Â Â Â Â down the insurgency 10 months ago. You
> said it was
> > > Â Â Â Â in its last throes. Do you believe that
> these
> > > Â Â Â Â optimistic statements may be one of the
> reasons
> > > Â Â Â Â that people seem to be more skeptical in
> this
> > > Â Â Â Â country about whether we ought to be in
> Iraq?”
> > >     Dick Cheney: “No. I think it has less
> to do with
> > > Â Â Â Â the statements we've made, which I think
> were
> > > Â Â Â Â basically accurate and reflect reality,
> than it
> > > Â Â Â Â does with the fact that there's a
> constant sort of
> > > Â Â Â Â perception, if you will, that's created
> because
> > > Â Â Â Â what's newsworthy is the car bomb in
> Baghdad. It's
> > > Â Â Â Â not all the work that went on that day
> in 15 other
> > > Â Â Â Â provinces in terms of making progress
> towards
> > >     rebuilding Iraq.”
> > > Â Â Â Â Face the Nation, March 19, 2006,
> > > Â Â Â Â
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/26/ftn/
> >
> > > Â Â Â Â
> http://www.vietnam-war.info/quotes/quotes2.php
> > > Â Â Â Â Council for a Livable World
> > > Â Â Â Â 322 4th Street, NE
> > > Â Â Â Â Washington, D.C. 20002
> 
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