[Peace-discuss] Re: Paul Kotheimer

Brian Dolinar briandolinar at gmail.com
Mon Oct 9 20:02:46 CDT 2006 

Well, Bambi is commenting further
and sending my name around to people.
I just got an email from Ken Pirok
trying to inform me of the injustice of
the Section 8 ordinance.

More character assassination
and small time McCarthyesque
witchhunting.

No love, no love lost.

BD



On 10/9/06, John Bambenek <jcb.blog at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a problem for the University counsel and ethics officer to deal with now.
>
> I will not comment further.
>
> On 10/9/06, Wendy Edwards <wedwards at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > OK, I'm assuming you're referring to
> > http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs5.asp?ActID=2529&ChapAct=5%A0ILCS%A0430%2F&ChapterID=2&ChapterName=GENERAL+PROVISIONS&ActName=State+Officials+and+Employees+Ethics+Act%2E
> > (or just try http://lnk.to/ethics)
> > since the AHR Academic Staff Handbook doesn't say much about this.
> > Let's look at the "Prohibited Political Activities":
> >
> >
> > "Prohibited political activity" means:
> >        (1) Preparing for, organizing, or participating in
> > any political meeting, political rally, political demonstration, or other
> > political event.
> >        (2) Soliciting contributions, including but not
> > limited to the purchase of, selling, distributing, or receiving payment for
> > tickets for any political fundraiser, political meeting, or other political
> > event.
> >        (3) Soliciting, planning the solicitation of, or
> > preparing any document or report regarding any thing of value intended as a
> > campaign contribution.
> >        (4) Planning, conducting, or participating in a
> > public opinion poll in connection with a campaign for elective office or on
> > behalf of a political organization for political purposes or for or against
> > any referendum question.
> >        (5) Surveying or gathering information from potential
> > connection with a campaign for elective office or on behalf of a political
> > organization for political purposes or for or against any referendum
> > question.
> >        (6) Assisting at the polls on election day on behalf
> > of any political organization or candidate for elective office or for or
> > against any referendum question.
> >        (7) Soliciting votes on behalf of a candidate for
> > elective office or a political organization or for or against any
> > referendum question or helping in an effort to get voters to the polls.
> >        (8) Initiating for circulation, preparing,
> > circulating, reviewing, or filing any petition on behalf of a candidate for
> > elective office or for or against any referendum question.
> >        (9) Making contributions on behalf of any candidate
> > for elective office in that capacity or in connection with a campaign for
> > elective office.
> >        (10) Preparing or reviewing responses to candidate
> > questionnaires in connection with a campaign for elective office or on
> > behalf of a political organization for political purposes.
> >
> > -None of these really fit, if Rosales was basically sending email
> > thanking people for showing up at a City Council meeting.
> >
> >        (11) Distributing, preparing for distribution, or
> > mailing campaign literature, campaign signs, or other campaign material on
> > behalf of any candidate for elective office or for or against any
> > referendum question.
> >
> > -But a city council vote isn't a referendum, and that's significant.
> >
> >        (12) Campaigning for any elective office or for or
> > against any referendum question.
> >        (13) Managing or working on a campaign for elective
> > office or for or against any referendum question.
> >        (14) Serving as a delegate, alternate, or proxy to a
> > political party convention.
> >        (15) Participating in any recount or challenge to the
> > outcome of any election, except to the extent that under subsection (d) of
> > Section 6 of Article IV of the Illinois Constitution each house of the
> > General Assembly shall judge the elections, returns, and qualifications of
> > its members.
> >
> > - Nope, I don't think the emails would be considered electioneering.
> >
> > Look, I don't mean to be patronizing, but Springfield is my hometown
> > and I have a pretty good idea of what kind of behavior motivated
> > the state ethics act.  It used to be common for employees in some
> > parts of state government to be pressured to make campaign
> > contributions (as part of keeping their jobs).  Some state workers
> > would spend a good chunk of their time on political campaigns,
> > rather than doing their job.  A mid-level university employee sending
> > emails about a city council meeting doesn't even register on that
> > scale.
> >
> > -- Wendy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 05:14:24PM -0500, John Bambenek wrote:
> > > Read the Academic Staff handbook, for one. It's clear there. That's a
> > > much less invidious violation than the one that's currently at hand.
> > >
> > > The incident was reported quietly and privately. He's now violated 5
> > > ILCS 430/15-5
> > >
> > > There will be an accounting for this.
> > >
> > > That's all I have to say on the matter now.
> > >
> > > On 10/9/06, Wendy Edwards <wedwards at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > > >Wait a second ... I just got done with my state ethics training,
> > > >and I actually paid attention to it.  AFAIK, Rosales was not
> > > >electioneering, and he wasn't campaigning for or against a
> > > >referendum.  So it sounds like the worst thing he was doing was
> > > >using his email for personal stuff, which the University apparently
> > > >allows to a reasonable extent.
> > > >
> > > >-- Wendy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >n Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 04:20:51PM -0500, John Bambenek wrote:
> > > >> 1) Girargo Rosales broke the law.
> > > >> 2) He broke it again by going public with it. An issue I'm taking up
> > > >> with the University Ethics office right now.  Thanks for letting me
> > > >> know.
> > > >>
> > > >> Rosales has his own email to conduct political business in the
> > > >> capacity of City of Champaign Council... the taxpayers of this state
> > > >> don't pay for his time as Assistant Dean of Students... the office
> > > >> responsible for enforcing these rules... so he can do business as a
> > > >> city councilman.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for letting me know.
> > > >>
> > > >> On 10/9/06, Brian Dolinar <briandolinar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >I personally don't read the OBO at all
> > > >> >not last month's, not 6 months ago.
> > > >> >Beyond the political
> > > >> >its poorly written and edited
> > > >> >maybe a notch above Booze Nooz.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >We at the Public i newspaper refuse to run smear campaigns
> > > >> >against minors because of ethical and libel issues.
> > > >> >This came up recently with Champaign Police Chief Finney's
> > > >> >son getting busted with weed in the local middle school.
> > > >> >We did not publish the kid's face or name.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I'm sure we'll have plenty reason soon enough
> > > >> >to call out the kind of witchhunting that people like yourself
> > > >> >engage in.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >For example, your ratting on Giraldo Rosales
> > > >> >for prohibiting discrimination against the poor.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Thats right peaceniks -
> > > >> >Bambi is pro-discrimination
> > > >> >and has recently informed several sources that
> > > >> >Giraldo was sending thank yous
> > > >> >on U of I company time
> > > >> >to those who came out to fight
> > > >> >the right wing republican
> > > >> >assault on the poor
> > > >> >led by Pirok et al.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Peace, BD
> > > >> >
> > > >> >On 10/9/06, John Bambenek <jcb.blog at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> Perhaps before everyone jumps up in arms about this picture, you might
> > > >> >> want to note the following:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> It was from **April**.  Isn't 6 months later a little late?
> > > >> >> Leo is in Beijing now.  He's gone.
> > > >> >> The new staff of the OBO doesn't use that website anymore AFAIK
> > > >> >> When's the last time you apologized for... well anything you've done?
> > > >> >> The last time you made it personal instead of political? The last time
> > > >> >> you slandered/libeled anyone? The last time you relished in physical
> > > >> >> violence against an "opponent"
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Leo's gone... find another horse to flog.
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >--
> > > >> >Brian Dolinar, Ph.D.
> > > >> >303 W. Locust St.
> > > >> >Urbana, IL 61801
> > > >> >briandolinar at gmail.com
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> j
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> j
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Urbana, IL 61801
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