[Peace-discuss] Re: Paul Kotheimer
Ricky Baldwin
baldwinricky at yahoo.com
Tue Oct 10 14:24:55 CDT 2006
I'll bet you were a hall monitor, John.
Listen, it's stupid rule, anyway (if it does in fact
apply in this case, and I'm not convinced it does).
For one thing University personnel like Giraldo do not
punch a clock. His "time" is not at issue. He can
obviously log into his UIUC email account at any time,
day or night, from anywhere there is an Internet
connection, not necessarily in his office -- and in
fact may have to do so in order to do his job. Rules
against using certain email accounts for certain
purposes are bureaucratic nonsense, as well as being
violations of free speech.
The question ought to be: what can UIUC personnel use
their *positions* for. If a professor sent all
his/her students an email telling them who to vote for
if they want to pass the class, would it really matter
which email account the professor used? If a
Congressman (hypothetically) sent emails to underage
pages soliciting sex, does it really matter whether he
used government email accounts?
But a thank you for participating in a real life
civics lesson? And sent to people over whom he has no
power in his position at the University, with whom his
UIUC position in fact holds no sway, whom he doesn't
even hope to influence but only to thank for something
they already did and would have done if he never
existed? Give me a break!
Maybe we should bug his office, too, or tap his phone,
or follow him at lunch (Is that a paid lunch for a
salaried employee? Hard to tell.) to see what he
talks to his peers about in the course of the day?
Why don't you go dig through somebody's trash for
incriminating memos or something?
Ricky
--- John Bambenek <jcb.blog at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a problem for the University counsel and ethics
> officer to deal with now.
>
> I will not comment further.
>
> On 10/9/06, Wendy Edwards <wedwards at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > OK, I'm assuming you're referring to
> >
>
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs5.asp?ActID=2529&ChapAct=5%A0ILCS%A0430%2F&ChapterID=2&ChapterName=GENERAL+PROVISIONS&ActName=State+Officials+and+Employees+Ethics+Act%2E
> > (or just try http://lnk.to/ethics)
> > since the AHR Academic Staff Handbook doesn't say
> much about this.
> > Let's look at the "Prohibited Political
> Activities":
> >
> >
> > "Prohibited political activity" means:
> > (1) Preparing for, organizing, or
> participating in
> > any political meeting, political rally, political
> demonstration, or other
> > political event.
> > (2) Soliciting contributions, including but
> not
> > limited to the purchase of, selling, distributing,
> or receiving payment for
> > tickets for any political fundraiser, political
> meeting, or other political
> > event.
> > (3) Soliciting, planning the solicitation
> of, or
> > preparing any document or report regarding any
> thing of value intended as a
> > campaign contribution.
> > (4) Planning, conducting, or participating
> in a
> > public opinion poll in connection with a campaign
> for elective office or on
> > behalf of a political organization for political
> purposes or for or against
> > any referendum question.
> > (5) Surveying or gathering information from
> potential
> > connection with a campaign for elective office or
> on behalf of a political
> > organization for political purposes or for or
> against any referendum
> > question.
> > (6) Assisting at the polls on election day
> on behalf
> > of any political organization or candidate for
> elective office or for or
> > against any referendum question.
> > (7) Soliciting votes on behalf of a
> candidate for
> > elective office or a political organization or for
> or against any
> > referendum question or helping in an effort to get
> voters to the polls.
> > (8) Initiating for circulation, preparing,
> > circulating, reviewing, or filing any petition on
> behalf of a candidate for
> > elective office or for or against any referendum
> question.
> > (9) Making contributions on behalf of any
> candidate
> > for elective office in that capacity or in
> connection with a campaign for
> > elective office.
> > (10) Preparing or reviewing responses to
> candidate
> > questionnaires in connection with a campaign for
> elective office or on
> > behalf of a political organization for political
> purposes.
> >
> > -None of these really fit, if Rosales was
> basically sending email
> > thanking people for showing up at a City Council
> meeting.
> >
> > (11) Distributing, preparing for
> distribution, or
> > mailing campaign literature, campaign signs, or
> other campaign material on
> > behalf of any candidate for elective office or for
> or against any
> > referendum question.
> >
> > -But a city council vote isn't a referendum, and
> that's significant.
> >
> > (12) Campaigning for any elective office or
> for or
> > against any referendum question.
> > (13) Managing or working on a campaign for
> elective
> > office or for or against any referendum question.
> > (14) Serving as a delegate, alternate, or
> proxy to a
> > political party convention.
> > (15) Participating in any recount or
> challenge to the
> > outcome of any election, except to the extent that
> under subsection (d) of
> > Section 6 of Article IV of the Illinois
> Constitution each house of the
> > General Assembly shall judge the elections,
> returns, and qualifications of
> > its members.
> >
> > - Nope, I don't think the emails would be
> considered electioneering.
> >
> > Look, I don't mean to be patronizing, but
> Springfield is my hometown
> > and I have a pretty good idea of what kind of
> behavior motivated
> > the state ethics act. It used to be common for
> employees in some
> > parts of state government to be pressured to make
> campaign
> > contributions (as part of keeping their jobs).
> Some state workers
> > would spend a good chunk of their time on
> political campaigns,
> > rather than doing their job. A mid-level
> university employee sending
> > emails about a city council meeting doesn't even
> register on that
> > scale.
> >
> > -- Wendy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 05:14:24PM -0500, John
> Bambenek wrote:
> > > Read the Academic Staff handbook, for one. It's
> clear there. That's a
> > > much less invidious violation than the one
> that's currently at hand.
> > >
> > > The incident was reported quietly and privately.
> He's now violated 5
> > > ILCS 430/15-5
> > >
> > > There will be an accounting for this.
> > >
> > > That's all I have to say on the matter now.
> > >
> > > On 10/9/06, Wendy Edwards <wedwards at uiuc.edu>
> wrote:
> > > >Wait a second ... I just got done with my state
> ethics training,
> > > >and I actually paid attention to it. AFAIK,
> Rosales was not
> > > >electioneering, and he wasn't campaigning for
> or against a
> > > >referendum. So it sounds like the worst thing
> he was doing was
> > > >using his email for personal stuff, which the
> University apparently
> > > >allows to a reasonable extent.
> > > >
> > > >-- Wendy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >n Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 04:20:51PM -0500, John
> Bambenek wrote:
> > > >> 1) Girargo Rosales broke the law.
> > > >> 2) He broke it again by going public with it.
> An issue I'm taking up
> > > >> with the University Ethics office right now.
> Thanks for letting me
> > > >> know.
> > > >>
> > > >> Rosales has his own email to conduct
> political business in the
> > > >> capacity of City of Champaign Council... the
> taxpayers of this state
> > > >> don't pay for his time as Assistant Dean of
> Students... the office
> > > >> responsible for enforcing these rules... so
> he can do business as a
> > > >> city councilman.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for letting me know.
> > > >>
> > > >> On 10/9/06, Brian Dolinar
> <briandolinar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >I personally don't read the OBO at all
> > > >> >not last month's, not 6 months ago.
> > > >> >Beyond the political
> > > >> >its poorly written and edited
> > > >> >maybe a notch above Booze Nooz.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >We at the Public i newspaper refuse to run
> smear campaigns
> > > >> >against minors because of ethical and libel
> issues.
> > > >> >This came up recently with Champaign Police
> Chief Finney's
> > > >> >son getting busted with weed in the local
> middle school.
> > > >> >We did not publish the kid's face or name.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I'm sure we'll have plenty reason soon
> enough
> > > >> >to call out the kind of witchhunting that
> people like yourself
> > > >> >engage in.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >For example, your ratting on Giraldo Rosales
> > > >> >for prohibiting discrimination against the
> poor.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Thats right peaceniks -
> > > >> >Bambi is pro-discrimination
> > > >> >and has recently informed several sources
> that
> > > >> >Giraldo was sending thank yous
> > > >> >on U of I company time
> > > >> >to those who came out to fight
> > > >> >the right wing republican
> > > >> >assault on the poor
> > > >> >led by Pirok et al.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Peace, BD
> > > >> >
> > > >> >On 10/9/06, John Bambenek
> <jcb.blog at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> Perhaps before everyone jumps up in arms
> about this picture, you might
> > > >> >> want to note the following:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> It was from **April**. Isn't 6 months
> later a little late?
> > > >> >> Leo is in Beijing now. He's gone.
> > > >> >> The new staff of the OBO doesn't use that
> website anymore AFAIK
> > > >> >> When's the last time you apologized for...
> well anything you've done?
> > > >> >> The last time you made it personal instead
> of political? The last time
> > > >> >> you slandered/libeled anyone? The last
> time you relished in physical
> > > >> >> violence against an "opponent"
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Leo's gone... find another horse to flog.
> > > >> >>
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >--
> > > >> >Brian Dolinar, Ph.D.
> > > >> >303 W. Locust St.
> > > >> >Urbana, IL 61801
> > > >> >briandolinar at gmail.com
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
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