[Peace-discuss] Re: [Peace] minutes of 9/24/06 AWARE meeting

[Chas. 'Mark' Bee]

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From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Peace] minutes of 9/24/06 AWARE meeting


> Jan, what would you have said of a Vietnam War teach-in that explicitly 
> excluded speakers who felt that the war was not a mistake but fundamentally 
> wrong and immoral?  I'd say it was cooked.  Best, CGE

  lol  Sounds like the whinging lament of someone who didn't get involved when 
they had the chance.

  Where's *your* panel, Carl?  (Admittedly, that takes more work - and more 
honesty - than routinely conflating various anti-war folks' opinions with 
wartime agressors chosen at random, your ol' slap-in-the-face standby.)

  Just out of curiosity, where's your evidence that the working group 
"explicitly excluded speakers who felt that the war was not a mistake but 
fundamentally wrong and immoral?"  And do remember, since you make it your 
habit to forget - correlation does not imply causation.  Showing that all the 
speakers feel otherwise doesn't fill that bill.

>
>
> Jan & Durl Kruse wrote:
>> Carl,
>> We do hope you come and not only flier if you wish, but also ask appropriate 
>> questions (anti-war voice that you find lacking on the panel).
>> AWAREPresents has no intention of excluding voices from any perspective or 
>> limiting allowable debate, including a call for a reversal of US support for 
>> Israel.  The panel composition was not based upon the possibility of 
>> "turning people away" but rather upon the consensus of the working group who 
>> planned this forum.  Our intent is to have a civil, informed, and productive 
>> discussion on a timely and important topic of interest to many.
>> Missing perspectives (there may be many) will be brought forward in the Q & 
>> A to encourage the discussion to be as inclusive as possible.
>> We hope you will attend and add your voice to the conversation.
>> Durl and Jan
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2006, at 5:47 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>
>>>> ...AWARE presents panel on U.S. Policy on Israel/Palestine:
>>>> Frank Knowles bowed out of organizing the panel
>>>> Panel reconstituted by Stuart and Gary
>>>>  Some comments from Michael Shapiro regarding an effective moderator and
>>>> assurances on conditions
>>>>  Ken Cuno, Fred Jahar, Jamal Nassar are other panelists
>>>>  10/26 7-9PM City Council Chambers, televised for UPTV or taped to be 
>>>> televised
>>>>  TJ Wilson is slated as moderator
>>>>  15 minutes position statements, Q&A after that...
>>>
>>> I still don't understand why the panel consists only of voices acceptable 
>>> to, say, the College Republicans.  In the US today in this matter perhaps 
>>> particularly there's an effort to keep the discussion within the limits of 
>>> allowable debate, and AWARE Presents seems to be accepting that 
>>> requirement.
>>>
>>> Shouldn't the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort" include a voice actually 
>>> anti-war -- viz., opposed in principle to US war in the Middle East 
>>> (including Lebanon and Gaza)?  "By now [2002] the US-Israel-Turkey alliance 
>>> is a centerpiece of US strategy, and Israel is virtually a US military 
>>> base, also closely integrated with the militarized US high-tech economy" 
>>> (Chomsky).  Will the panel contain any principled objection to that 
>>> situation?
>>>
>>> Shouldn't the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort" include a voice actually 
>>> anti-racist -- viz., opposed in principle to US support for its principal 
>>> client, an explicitly racist state?  Where is our "Anti-Racism Working 
>>> Group" to condemn this panel's silence in the face of racism?
>>>
>>> I thought the point of the panels was to consider what US policy should be 
>>> now.  Why is there no one on the panel to call for a reversal of support 
>>> for Israel, at least to the extent of demanding that Israel observe UN 
>>> resolutions going back almost 40 years?
>>>
>>> If these opinions are being excluded, as was suggested, in order not to 
>>> turn people away, isn't it clear that AWARE has sold its birthright for a 
>>> mess of pottage?  This seems to me an acquiescence as bad or worse than 
>>> that to Sen. Obama, where AWARE was told to refrain from criticizing a 
>>> pro-war senator because he was a black liberal.
>>>
>>> Perhaps some of us should try our hand at a leaflet for this event that 
>>> tries to do what the original remit for the panel suggested --  namely, say 
>>> what US policy should be in regard to Israel.  If you're interested in 
>>> working on such a thing, let me know.  --CGE
>>>
>>>
>>>
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