[CUCPJ Discuss] [Peace-discuss] Clemons released from hospital

[John W.]

At 09:14 PM 7/11/2007, Marti wrote:

>Congratulations on formulating a straw man argument.

And not even a remotely plausible one.  A phantasmagoric straw man, 
composed of equal parts absence of critical thinking skills and knee-jerk 
emotional over-reaction.

With "thinking" like Rob's, it's no wonder that our intrepid American 
voters - the "Joe Sixpacks" that Carl likes to defend - not only elect 
Neanderthals like Bush and Cheney, but continue to defend them for eight 
interminable years.



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>From: Robert Dunn [mailto:prorobert8 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:38 PM
>To: tvchick at insightbb.com; briandolinar at gmail.com; 
>discuss at communitycourtwatch.org; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Clemons released from hospital
>
>well, the Champaign City Council is the way it is because of the idiotic 
>smoke ban, started by the same activists in Urbana. The main difference is 
>that Champaign businesses stood up rather than Urbana businesses who 
>decided to play dead and let their customer base decline.
>
>From: "Marti" <tvchick at insightbb.com>
>To: "'Robert Dunn'" 
><prorobert8 at hotmail.com>,<briandolinar at gmail.com>,<discuss at communitycourtwatch.org>,<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Clemons released from hospital
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:16:09 -0500
>It's my understanding the officers are recovering from their injuries and 
>have received a lot of support for what they have been through. That is as 
>it should be because the police do put their lives at risk on a daily 
>basis. For my part I do hope that the three officers and their families 
>continue receiving support as they go through the healing process. What 
>bothers me is the perception that showing compassion for the shooter and 
>his family ends up being misinterpreted as being somehow 
>anti-police.  Compassion and forgiveness are key qualities to being able 
>to rise above what happens when someone causes injury or harm to another. 
>To be bitter is to nurture a cancer of the soul.
>Police officers are public servants and there is a valid need for 
>accountability and for a citizens review board. As a resident of Champaign 
>I am fully in support of seeing such a board implemented in the community 
>here.  There is no evidence to support that a citizen's review board will 
>provide a "haven for criminals" and a board that is effective can be 
>instrumental in building a positive relationship with the community. This 
>would come from the police department showing a willingness to be 
>accountable and to work with the public and a good citizens review board 
>would be willing and able to distinguish between valid complaints and 
>erroneous accusations.
>If Champaign is lucky we can get rid of some of the deadwood that 
>comprises the current city council.
>Marti
>
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>From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net 
>[mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Dunn
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:12 PM
>To: briandolinar at gmail.com; discuss at communitycourtwatch.org; 
>peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Clemons released from hospital
>
>what about the officers that were shot? Are people going to give their 
>condolences to them? Oh thank you Brian for mentioning my sole dissent 
>from your guys plans on making the City of Urbana a haven for criminals. 
>Give it about hmm, 5-10 years and the backlash against the looniies on the 
>current council will be commence!
>
>From:  "Brian Dolinar" <briandolinar at gmail.com>
>To:  discuss at communitycourtwatch.org,"Peace Discuss" 
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>Subject:  [Peace-discuss] Clemons released from hospital
>Date:  Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:34:10 -0500
>
>Today, July 11, Donnell Clemons was released from Carle Hospital, 
>arraigned, and is now in the county jail.
>
>Interestingly, he is only charged with shooting Shannon Bridges and John 
>Murphy.
>The charge of shooting Jack Armstrong was dropped.
>
> >From what I have heard, Armstrong was shot in the leg from a ricocheting 
> bullet.
>It looks like Armstrong was shot by one of the officers' own bullets.
>
>Unfortunately, no one called Clemons' family to notify them of his release.
>
>They heard it from news reporters.
>
>BD
>--
>Brian Dolinar, Ph.D.
>303 W. Locust St.
>Urbana, IL 61801
><mailto:briandolinar at gmail.com>briandolinar at gmail.com
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