[CPRB] RE: [Peace-discuss] CPRB

Fri Jul 20 01:35:10 CDT 2007

My point in what I wrote about my brother was to point out that it was the
progressive nature of the community that prompted my parents to move here.
This was back in the early 1970's and having progressive individuals who are
passionate about social justice is part of many university communities.  The
progressive spirit that attracts many people has been around for a long time
and will continue to be part of the cultural fabric of the community. 

Once again this response is a straw man argument.  This is because it fails
to address the main point of my previous argument and in reading your emails
I have found that this is a common rhetorical strategy that you employ and
the only purpose it serves is to provoke people into responding. Then once
it generates into a food fight the opportunity is there for you to position
yourself as the unfortunate victim. For what it's worth I refuse to be
manipulated.

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From: Robert Dunn [mailto:prorobert8 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:02 PM
To: tvchick at insightbb.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net;
cprb at lists.chambana.net; caevans2 at hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [CPRB] RE: [Peace-discuss] CPRB

Conservatives and Republicans do not support sterilization. Actually
supporters of Darwinism and Margaret Sanger (whom was denounced  by
Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony for encouraging forced abortions
on poor, and minority children.) Adolf Hitler praises Margaret Sanger in
Mein Kampf. 

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From: "Marti" <tvchick at insightbb.com>
To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>,
<cprb at lists.chambana.net>,<caevans2 at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [CPRB] RE: [Peace-discuss] CPRB
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:46:37 -0500

My family moved to the Champaign community when I was three years old. You
see my older brother had a serious illness which left him with brain damage
and the small town I was born in was not 'progressive' enough to have the
resources he needed. Even then my parents had to struggle with being amongst
the first generation of parents who fought for the rights of disabled
children.  In another era my brother would have been institutionalized and
sterilized against his will and people like Adolf Hitler would have had him
euthanized for his own good. 

People do not leave one community for another unless there is a good reason.
If my brother hadn't been in need of the resources my parents would have
probably been perfectly happy staying in a small town in Southern Illinois.
I may not be a native of this community but my family has put down roots
here and I chose to stay here when I had my own child. By the definition
that Robert Dunn offers that makes me an 'outsider' and that is an attitude
which implies that only people who are from here originally have the right
to an opinion and the right of participation in a marketplace of ideas.
Perhaps we can invite members of the Peoria tribe to run for seats in the
Urbana city council since they can claim a more authentic native status.

I've had the opportunity to meet people from all walks of life who have
managed to piss me off and hurt my feelings. I consider myself fortunate
that I don't define myself by what other people think and do otherwise I
would be constantly switching allegiances. 

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From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
[mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Dunn
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:26 AM
To: jbw292002 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net;
cprb at lists.chambana.net; caevans2 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [CPRB] RE: [Peace-discuss] CPRB

This is my hometown john. I was born in Carle Hospital on May 19, 1982, i
forgot what floor it was! I went to Wiley Elementary School on the corner of
Anderson and Pennsylvania Ave. I remember when Lincoln Square and the
Sunnycrest area were thriving with businesses and shops. I remember the old
Elite Diner and Dunkin Donuts where some old timers were sitting there every
day sipping coffee and chainsmoking! Of course, now that is illegal in
Urbana to chainsmoke inside, thanks to the lefties on the Council! I went to
the hellhole called Urbana Middle School and survived that. Finally i went
to Urbana High School and graduated in 2000. It was then that i met you
guys. I remember walking to Lincoln Square and playing video games in the
arcade there. That is now gone. You see, i have roots here. Most people on
the city council do not have roots or history here. It seems that those who
were born and bred here have more commonsense than the outsiders who come to
this area. That includes Champaign as well.

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From: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
To: "Robert Dunn" <prorobert8 at hotmail.com>,peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net,
cprb at lists.chambana.net,caevans2 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [CPRB] RE: [Peace-discuss] CPRB
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:51:11 -0500

At 11:35 AM 7/18/2007, Robert Dunn wrote:

i just received word from the Chief of Police of Iowa City.

I was wrong about my predictions. However, i am still against this because
where the source of this idea came from. By the way, Richmond and
Berzerkeley do have high crime rates, but their CPRB has nothing to do with
it. Other lefty initiatives such as making the areas so anti-business plus
declaring being homeless a Constitutional right, contributes to a very
unpleasant environment. So, i admit i was wrong, however, i am still on
record as opposing this, because i and you know that the CPRB is not the
end, but the beginning of the trend to make this city so unbearable that
middle class residents will leave, thus entrenching the Left permanantly in
power! Or do we stay and fight. I think why Mr. Smyth was so testy was
because i reminded him that his seat should not be taken for granted! 

Urbana must be returned to its residents, and not some group of extremists
out of the UCIMC! As someone born and bred here, outsiders have come in and
plundered our inheritance, its time to take it back before nothing is left!

Robert Dunn

Founder of Take Back Urbana!

I'm curious why you came back to such a hellhole in the first place, Rob.
You must be on a Mission from God.

From:  Esther Patt <epatt at uiuc.edu>

To:  "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>, Robert Dunn <prorobert8 at hotmail.com>,
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net, cprb at lists.chambana.net

Subject:  Re: [CPRB] RE: [Peace-discuss] CPRB

Date:  Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:08:44 -0500 (CDT)

>It's always amusing, when Urbana proposes adopting something that already
exists in dozens of communities around the country, that opponents step
forward to assert that the sky will surely fall if Urbana takes the
unprecedented step of doing anything new.  Whether it was creating a
city-wide recycling program, adopting an Historic Preservation Ordinance,
adopting an anti-war resolution, implementing rental registration for
apartments -- our city was a late-comer to a national trend but opponents
threatened horrible consequences.  Robert Dunn's claim that the crime rate
will sky-rocket if the city creates a Police Review Board  is just plain
silly.  The real experiences of dozens of communities through the nation
refute Robert's claim.

> 

>By the way:

> 

>The Fraternal Order of Police fundraises the money for Shop with a Cop.  I
think it's a good program and donate to it, but wanted Robert and others to
know that the program is not about police officers spending their own money
to buy things for low-income children (although I don't doubt there are
officers who donate to the fund).  But the money is raised by the FOP --
primarily by their calling people like all of us and asking for donations.
Then the officers go shopping with the children for "holiday" presents,
using the money raised in the community.  Community members are needed to
accompany the officers and kids on the shopping trip and to help the
children wrap the presents they buy.

> 

>Esther Patt 

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See what you <http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2749??PS=47575> re getting
intobefore you go there 

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