[Peace-discuss] Re: Peace Digest, Vol 42, Issue 20

[n.dahlheim at mchsi.com]

Here, here.

Enough of the acrimony.  If we can't remove the log from our own eyes, how the hell do we expect to 
change American culture and end the rapacious military-industrial complex?

Anyway, Neil, you should definitely read David Ray Griffin's "911 Commission: Ommissions and 
Distortions" as well as his updated "Debunking 911 Debunking."  I don't consider myself at all 
bedfellows with Chuck Minne---his use of science to support 911 and yet deny climate change is 
inconsistent and his single issue obsession is a bit beyond my taste.  But, a scholar like Griffin cannot 
be dismissed lightly.  His background in philosophy, theology, and science (he has done extensive work 
on Whitehead and the philosophy of science) as well as his deep knowledge of politics makes him the 
authority on the events of 911.  Clearly, we must face the possibility of the Bush Administration's 
detailed orchestration of the events of 911...  Otherwise, our opposition to the war and our concern 
with the degradation of the Constitution and democracy will not have the proper context.


----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
From:    Neil Parthun <lennybrucefan at gmail.com>
To:      C.G.Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu>
Cc:      peace discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: Peace Digest, Vol 42, Issue 20
Date:    Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:44:21 +0000

> "Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!" - The Godfather III
> 
> Just as much as I failed to enjoy that movie, I am failing to enjoy  
> the recent volley of snark on Peace Discuss.  Do we all really not  
> have anything better to do than toss back verbal e-grenades about the  
> rules of a listserv?  If you're against the current Democratic front  
> group alphabet soup named organization whose name escapes me at the  
> current moment, then I'd suggest that you don't join the organization  
> and/or do not attend their events.  It works for me.  This whole idea  
> that nobody wants to just say "Enough!" and just end it is like  
> eating cereal with spoiled milk in the bowl -- after you figure out  
> the milk is bad, don't keep eating.
> 
> This is getting thoroughly embarrassing that we have such behavior  
> regularly occurring.  Once or twice would be okay but this now seems  
> nothing short of deliberate snark for snark's sake.  I get more than  
> my fill of hate spew from watching the joke of Judiciary hearings and  
> watching both parties try to garner the support of the 60+% of  
> Americans opposed to the war by saying that we will have a withdrawal  
> -- but keep soldiers in Iraq permanently for X, Y, and Z reasons.
> 
> If we had this kind of energy in not only organizing people for the  
> short term but knowing what to do with these people effectively when  
> we have them, we'd have an obnoxiously strong and sustained local  
> anti-war movement that would be highly popular among most of the  
> community.  Just my .02 to add to the discussion.
> 
> Don't mourn. Organize,
>                      x Neil x
> 
> You can't really be strong until you see a funny side to things.
> [ken kesey, 1935-2001]
> 
> Keep your blood clean, your body lean and your mind sharp.
> [henry rollins, 1961-]
> 
> I read somewhere that when a person takes part in community action,  
> his health improves.  Something happens to him or to her  
> biologically. It's like a tonic.
> [studs terkel, 1912-]
> 
> Even though you can't expect to defeat the absurdity of the world,  
> you must make that attempt.  That's morality, that's religion.   
> That's art.  That's life.
> [phil ochs, 1940-1976]
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