[Peace-discuss] Restore Habeas Corpus

[Laurie at advancenet.net]

> We are way behind the 8-ball folks

When were we in front of the 8-ball or even with it?

> The David Ray Griffin books point
> the finger at the Administration
> pretty convincingly.  What I don't get is why so many of you won't look
> at that evidence.

Part of the problem is that too many progressives are reformers and not
revolutionaries; they tend to be intellectuals who write and read books
aimed at preaching to the choir and feeding their own pockets and egos
rather than engaging in any direct actions. It is all an intellectual
exercise for them and those who they engage in their discussions and
conversations with.  The other part of the problem is that the mass audience
in the U.S. are not intellectuals; they do not read or care to engage in
serious analysis.  They prefer entertaining television, movies, and
graphics.  Hence, they do not read or regard your critical analyses and data
- much less understand it.

The opposition among the masses tend to be dogmatic believers in their
religion of capitalistic and democratic dogma along with fundamentalist and
literal Christianity and Western European white superiority.  Hence, they
will not read or accept anything that does not fit their pre-conceptions or
the rituals and myths of their leaders.

>  If we are still thinking about elections and Congress, we are a joke.

We have always been a joke; why is this instance different.  Elections are
not Democracy; they are only a mechanism for circulating elites with respect
to positions of authority.  Representative democracy in a republic such as
the U.S is an excuse following the polls when it is convenient and ignoring
the populous when it is not.  Representative democracy is a spectator sport
for the masses and participatory entertainment for elites who only represent
their own established vested interests and organizational survival.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-
> bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of n.dahlheim at mchsi.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:08 PM
> To: Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Restore Habeas Corpus
> 
> We are way behind the 8-ball folks...  In National Security
> Presidential Directive 51, the Administration
> has already seized emergency powers a la Hitler in 1933....  Congress
> is feckless.  When will the people
> on this list even wake up to 911!!!  The David Ray Griffin books point
> the finger at the Administration
> pretty convincingly.  What I don't get is why so many of you won't look
> at that evidence.  Don't you
> think that the Admimistration had a lot to gain from 911?  Havent' they
> and their allies in banking, oil,
> and defense made billions and trillions off this "War on Terror?"  Come
> on, 19 Arab hijackers completely
> fooled a $13 trillion dollar defense system with the most advanced
> radar and sophisticated air radar
> system in the word?  Give me a break.  Yeah, and jet fuel caused the
> towers to fall...  What about WTC
> 7?
> 
>  If we are still thinking about elections and Congress, we are a joke.
> Other action is needed; the
> Republic and democracy is pretty much dead.  Reason has disappeared in
> the wake of consumerism and
> entertainment... We need alternative ideas, and I want help in forming
> them; but, we need the right
> paradigms first.   FIRST, THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ORCHESTRATED 9/11!
> IF YOU CANNOT SEE THAT,
> NONE OF THE EVENTS FOLLOWING IT REALLY MAKE MUCH SENSE!
> 
>                       Nick
> 
> 
> ----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
> From:    Patricia Fettig <pfettig at prairienet.org>
> To:      peace at lists.chambana.net, peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Restore Habeas Corpus
> Date:    Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:18:13 +0000
> 
> > This message was sent to me. I think it is worth considering.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > This week the Senate is going to vote on Leahy-Specter-Dodd's
> > Restoration of Habeas Corpus Act.
> >
> > We have a very real chance to rollback the Bush Administration's
> assault
> > on the Constitution in a very fundamental way.
> >
> > The vote is going to be a close one, and could very well come down to
> > grassroots participation and pressure.
> >
> > First step: Sign on as a citizen co-sponsor of the bill and ask five
> > people to do the same.
> >
> >  From there, we'll receive direction on which Senators need to be
> > persuaded to vote YES on this critical piece of legislation.
> >
> > http://restore-habeas.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > http://restore-habeas.org
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