[Peace-discuss] Restore Habeas Corpus

[John W.]

At 11:01 PM 9/18/2007, Laurie at advancenet.net wrote:

> > We are way behind the 8-ball folks
>
>When were we in front of the 8-ball or even with it?
>
> > The David Ray Griffin books point the finger at the Administration
> > pretty convincingly.  What I don't get is why so many of you won't look
> > at that evidence.
>
>Part of the problem is that too many progressives are reformers and not
>revolutionaries; they tend to be intellectuals who write and read books
>aimed at preaching to the choir and feeding their own pockets and egos
>rather than engaging in any direct actions. It is all an intellectual
>exercise for them and those who they engage in their discussions and
>conversations with.  The other part of the problem is that the mass audience
>in the U.S. are not intellectuals; they do not read or care to engage in
>serious analysis.  They prefer entertaining television, movies, and
>graphics.  Hence, they do not read or regard your critical analyses and data
>- much less understand it.
>
>The opposition among the masses tend to be dogmatic believers in their
>religion of capitalistic and democratic dogma along with fundamentalist and
>literal Christianity and Western European white superiority.  Hence, they
>will not read or accept anything that does not fit their pre-conceptions or
>the rituals and myths of their leaders.
>
> > If we are still thinking about elections and Congress, we are a joke.
>
>We have always been a joke; why is this instance different?  Elections are
>not Democracy; they are only a mechanism for circulating elites with respect
>to positions of authority.  Representative democracy in a republic such as
>the U.S is an excuse following the polls when it is convenient and ignoring
>the populous when it is not.  Representative democracy is a spectator sport
>for the masses and participatory entertainment for elites who only represent
>their own established vested interests and organizational survival.


Here's someone who's easily as cynical as you, Nick, and I'm guessing quite 
a bit older.  He's been around the block at least a half dozen times, I'd 
say. :-)

Let's all move to some foreign country and start a commune!

John



> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net 
> [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of 
> n.dahlheim at mchsi.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:08 PM
> > To: Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Restore Habeas Corpus
> >
> > We are way behind the 8-ball folks...  In National Security 
> Presidential Directive 51, the Administration
> > has already seized emergency powers a la Hitler in 1933....  Congress 
> is feckless.  When will the people
> > on this list even wake up to 911!!!  The David Ray Griffin books point 
> the finger at the Administration
> > pretty convincingly.  What I don't get is why so many of you won't look 
> at that evidence.  Don't you
> > think that the Admimistration had a lot to gain from 911?  Havent' they 
> and their allies in banking, oil,
> > and defense made billions and trillions off this "War on Terror?"  Come 
> on, 19 Arab hijackers completely
> > fooled a $13 trillion dollar defense system with the most advanced 
> radar and sophisticated air radar
> > system in the word?  Give me a break.  Yeah, and jet fuel caused the 
> towers to fall...  What about WTC 7?
> >
> >  If we are still thinking about elections and Congress, we are a 
> joke.  Other action is needed; the
> > Republic and democracy is pretty much dead.  Reason has disappeared in 
> the wake of consumerism and
> > entertainment... We need alternative ideas, and I want help in forming 
> them; but, we need the right
> > paradigms first.   FIRST, THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ORCHESTRATED 9/11! IF 
> YOU CANNOT SEE THAT,
> > NONE OF THE EVENTS FOLLOWING IT REALLY MAKE MUCH SENSE!
> >
> >                       Nick
> >
> >
> > ----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
> > From:    Patricia Fettig <pfettig at prairienet.org>
> > To:      peace at lists.chambana.net, peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > Subject: [Peace-discuss] Restore Habeas Corpus
> > Date:    Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:18:13 +0000
> >
> > > This message was sent to me. I think it is worth considering.
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > This week the Senate is going to vote on Leahy-Specter-Dodd's
> > > Restoration of Habeas Corpus Act.
> > >
> > > We have a very real chance to rollback the Bush Administration's assault
> > > on the Constitution in a very fundamental way.
> > >
> > > The vote is going to be a close one, and could very well come down to
> > > grassroots participation and pressure.
> > >
> > > First step: Sign on as a citizen co-sponsor of the bill and ask five
> > > people to do the same.
> > >
> > > From there, we'll receive direction on which Senators need to be
> > > persuaded to vote YES on this critical piece of legislation.
> > >
> > > http://restore-habeas.org/