[Peace-discuss] The Clinton/Bush generation

[John W.]

At 11:01 PM 9/18/2007, n.dahlheim at mchsi.com wrote:

>Laurie,
>
>     I absolutely loved this post, and you took the words right out of my 
> mouth.  Make your no-vote a
>very loud no-vote.  Let people know that you don't like being pandered to 
>by reptilian politicians who
>shapeshift like chameolons as shills for a corporate imperial agenda 
>wrecking the environment and the
>lives of the global proletariat.  People badly need some historical 
>perspective.  America isn't the country
>depicted in Disney films and amusement parks.  Oh, and don't forget C. 
>Wright Mills when discussing
>your list of political theorists.  Wow, I appreciated your 
>perspective.  Finally, someone who doesn't
>subscribe to the "we'll just elect Obama and things will get better" 
>approach to the 2008 political
>"elections."  Keep your politics local and build survival networks of 
>conviviality in Champaign-
>Urbana---the more people voluntarily drop out of the system the 
>better.  We need alternatives that
>don't drain our precious time, talent, and wealth (not just $).  Fighting 
>through the system is no longer
>feasible----that is what 9/11 should teach us.  The construction of local 
>economies that don't feed the
>federal, global corporate capitalist tapeworm will be vital to the future; 
>it also means you participate
>less in environmental degradation and the exploitation of people abroad 
>living on the margins of the
>global economy.  Visit <http://www.solari.com>www.solari.com - it has some 
>excellent ideas for real political action that will
>make for a brighter future.  Time's a' wasting, and we need to focus here 
>on these issues so that
>communities will survive the devouring tapeworm with its rapacious 
>appetite for all that is good and
>wholesome.
>
>      Best,
>      Nick


Linking from that web site, here's an interesting proposal by the Green 
Party of the United States, "Moving the Money to Main 
Street":  http://www.gp.org/mainstreet/  .  Maybe some of you readers could 
identify a couple of good, local, socially responsible banks or credit 
unions in the C-U area where we could all bank?

John Wason



>----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
>From:    "LAURIE SOLOMON" <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
>To:      <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Clinton/Bush generation
>Date:    Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:49:36 +0000
>
> > > There are few things more disgusting in contemporary US politics than
> > > a Democrat slavering for a Clinton Restoration.  Bush is in fact a
> > > thoroughly worthy purveyor of the Clinton legacy, as Bill Clinton
> > > himself was of Bush I/Reagan. A pox on both their houses. --CGE]
> >
> > As for me, I think that there is nothing more disgusting than U.S. politics
> > in general - both contemporary and past historic U.S. politics.  Even 
> in the
> > good old days when and if the Democrats represented labor and the poor 
> while
> > the Republicans represented the wealthy and business; all were pragmatic
> > supporters of the established order who were essentially reformers who
> > sought changes on the periphery and never question basic premises.  Now 
> that
> > labor unions have become corporate organizations with large organizational
> > bureaucracies of their own just like big business and have similar vested
> > interests in maintaining the establishment values and power structures as
> > long as they see themselves as getting their fair share of the power and
> > booty, we have a circulation of elites as described by political theorists
> > like Parato, Mosca, and Schumpeter where only the names of the parties are
> > changed to protect the guilty.
> >
> > In America everyone seeks to become petty bourgeois middle class white
> > collar bureaucrats, to be white and respectable, to be rational and
> > responsible, and to be the proud owner of a portion of the American dream
> > even if it means it comes at someone else's expense - especially if 
> they are
> > not white, are poor, and lack power.  So I will actively exercise my
> > decision making in terms of U.S. elections but by not casting my vote for
> > any of the candidates.  Hopefully, things will get so bad that people 
> in the
> > U.S. will be forced to question and treat as problematic their basic core
> > values and presuppositions so as to engage in a revolutionary 
> redesigning of
> > their goals, values, and processes and stop believing in symbols and
> > rituals.  Just like global warming, if they fail to do something, there 
> will
> > be a deserved Hobbesian world in which there will be a war of all against
> > all in which life will be nasty, brutish, and short.  When you participate
> > in a rat race, you are a rat whether you win or lose.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net 
> [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net]
> > > On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:43 PM
> > > To: Peace Discuss
> > > Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Clinton/Bush generation
> > >
> > > [There are few things more disgusting in contemporary US politics than
> > > a Democrat slavering for a Clinton Restoration.  Bush is in fact a
> > > thoroughly worthy purveyor of the Clinton legacy, as Bill Clinton
> > > himself was of Bush I/Reagan. A pox on both their houses. --CGE]
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