[Peace-discuss] Quit the Party

[Jenifer Cartwright]

Nah, you weren't a spoiler if you voted in Illinois. But as I understand it, Gore would have gotten in  -- even w/ the voter fraud giving FL to Bush -- if Nader votes hadn't thrown election to Bush in those states. Chomsky warned voters NOT to do that again in 2004 b/c things had gotten too dangerous, and many others asked Nader not to run again for the same reason.
   
  Too soon to tell who the lesser of 2 evils will be in 2008. Currently not enuff difference betw Dems and Reps on foreign issues, tho' Dems are lots better on domestic IMHO
   
  Right now, if we're listening to and believing Ritter and Ellsberg, we're pressuring Congress to do everything in their power to PREVENT a US attack on IRAN. Hilary voted yes, Dodds and Kucinich voted no, and Obama was MIA.
   
  Jenifer    
   
   

"John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
  At 08:20 PM 9/28/2007, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:

  Uh.... that's how we got George W Bush. Dems aren't great (understatement) but no evidence Gore was poised to attack Iraq. Voting our conscience instead of the lesser of two evils doesn't affect the average independent voter all that much, but it sure as hell affects the rest of the world, foreign and domestic.
 
Jenifer
Good Lord, I was just asking a question about how primaries work.  But I hope we're not disinterring that old tired argument about third parties being "spoilers".  

We got George W. Bush - twice - because of massive election fraud by Republicans, pure and simple - Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004 - which went unchallenged by pusillanimous Democratic contenders and which was upheld (in 2000) by the reactionary Rehnquist-dominated Supreme Court.

Third-party challengers - IF they're allowed to participate in the election process, for God's sake - serve many useful purposes, among them to force Democrats to take stronger stands on issues than they might otherwise.

Naw...I refuse to take responsibility for Dubya's "victory".  If I voted for Nader I'm a bad guy.  If I stayed home and didn't vote at all I'm a bad guy.  I'm not allowed to have a conscience; without even knowing the results in advance, I'm expected to vote for "the lesser of two evils".  Bullshit.

Just out of curiosity, though:  Who, pray, is the "lesser of two evils" this time?



  "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
  
  
   At 02:33 PM 9/28/2007, Matt Reichel wrote:

  
   > http://counterpunch.org/lindorff09272007.html
  
   >
  
   >Dave Lindorff suggests a mass escape from the Democratic party as an 
  
   >organizing tactic between now and the 2008 election. I couldn't agree 
  
   >more: never has it been as pressing for people to quit the Other Party of 
  
   >neo-liberalism and American imperialism in favor of a new third party 
  
   >movement which espouses the needs of workers, students, academics and 
  
   >social movement activists.
  
   >
  
   >Note: Illinois has OPEN Primaries!! Many of you are probably registered as 
  
   >Democrats for one reason or another, and you would lose NOTHING by 
  
   >canceling your registration as a Democrat and re-registering as an 
  
   >independent. You could still vote for Kucinich or Gravel in the primaries! 
  
   >You could even get a Republican ballot and vote for Ron Paul if you so please!
  
   >
  
   >-
  
   >mer


  
   I didn't know you had to REGISTER as anything. I thought you just went 
  
   into the primary and requested a ballot of your choice....which can now 
  
   include a Green Party ballot.

  
   John Wason


       
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