[Peace-discuss] Urbana City Council meeting last night

[C. G. Estabrook]

Absolutely.  As Paul Mueth quoted at the meeting (and even the N-G
noticed), "The cure for bad speech is more speech."  --CGE

Karen Medina wrote:
> Brumleve has the right to say the things. And the people who call
> them lies have the right to call them lies.
> 
> -karen medina
> 
> ---- Original message ----
>> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:49:07 -0500 From: "C. G. Estabrook"
>> <galliher at uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Urbana City
>> Council meeting last night To: kmedina at uiuc.edu Cc: Peace Discuss
>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>> 
>> How can getting the courts to sanction someone for the content of
>> what they publicize, however despicable, be compatible with free
>> speech?  It seems to me that it's been correctly said that, if you
>> don't believe in free speech for views you despise, you don't
>> believe in it at all. --CGE
>> 
>> Karen Medina wrote:
>>> I would say that if the Jewish community decides to sue Mr.
>>> Brumleve, I would support such an action.
>>> 
>>> However, the complaints against UPTV are misdirected.
>>> 
>>> There were calls for UPTV to stop taking any third party material
>>>  (like the stuff Brumleve submitted which was produced by Rev.Ted
>>> Pike of the National Prayer Network) and take only locally
>>> produced material. "Democracy Now" is third party material, just
>>> as an example of what such a rule would mean.
>>> 
>>> There were calls to shut down UPTV altogether.
>>> 
>>> There were calls to make UPTV show only governmental and
>>> educational materials. However, the people need a place as well
>>> as the government.
>>> 
>>> And, as Durl and Marti pointed out, all these demands fail to 
>>> understand UPTV and its lack of connection to the Urbana City
>>> Council and/or what the commission itself can do.
>>> 
>>> There is one other thing I don't get. When the formal proposal
>>> for word changes was made, why wasn't the statement more like the
>>> "the opinions expressed here don't necessarily express the
>>> opinions of this station nor the community." The statement they
>>> proposed was something like "the city of Urbana does not condone
>>> or endorse speech that promotes fear, hatred, prejudice or
>>> discrimination toward any group based on religion, ethnicity,
>>> race, gender or sexual orientation."
>>> 
>>> -karen medina _______________________________________________ 
>>> Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
>>> http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/peace-discuss
> _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing
> list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
> http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/peace-discuss