[Peace-discuss] Re: Urbana City Council meeting last night -- what's in a name?

[Karen Capel]

Pardon my butting in, but is this discussion about a Mr. Dunleve or a 
Mr. Brumleve?

In case there is a mix-up, I think that it might be appropriate to 
get a name straight before you start flinging condemnation, 
name-calling, and threatening lawsuit.

I happen to know a Mr. Brumleve, and he seems anything but "a 
crackpot" worthy of a "lawsuit."  And he probably wouldn't look very 
kindly on this discussion with his name being used if it's been 
improperly interjected.

Could someone please clarify this for me?  Thanks.

Karen Capel

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:29:52 -0700
From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Urbana City Council meeting last night
To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net

   How ridiculous. Brumleve is a crackpot, of course. But suffice it 
to say that if there was a show that told the awful truth about the 
ethnic cleansing of Palestine, from 1948 to the current day, then the 
same folks would be labeling that "hate speech" too.

   What really is sad is that because of their hyper-sensitivity and 
complete lack of perspective, the local Zionist self-pity partyers 
put everyone else through an evening that sounds like having to go to 
three Bar Mitzvahs. Now you know what we have to deal with.

   DG


Karen Medina <kmedina at uiuc.edu> wrote:
   The Urbana City Council met Monday night. The meeting was about 
UPTV and Mr. Dunleve's hate speech dvds from David Duke. The meeting 
went on for 4-1/2 hours (7pm-11:33pm).

UPTV was #8 on the agenda, so people stood through the long 
presentation about the plan for the Boneyard. They stood through a 
public arts report and proposal. They stood through the combining of 
the conflicting revisions of the arts proposal. And literally dozens 
of people spoke on the hate speech vs. free speech issue (they were 
given 5 minutes apiece). The other points made were: hate speech 
leads to violence possibly of some unstable person who watches and 
then decides that the Jews are to blame for everything, that 
vandolism and grafiti have already been a problem for years, that 
Dunleve did not have copyright permission for a long time and that he 
had removed the titles and credits on the shows so that nobody could 
tell where he was getting the stuff for a long time, that the city 
could be sued, that tax money should not go toward this, and how 
horrible it was to know that someone out there wanted to kill them.

Around 10:45, the Council paused the UPTV discussion and rushed 
through the remaining 7 items on the agenda. Then returned to the 
UPTV discussion again, giving the last 6 people who wanted to talk 
about 2 minutes apiece. Durl Kruse was the next to last to speak. He 
mentioned that no tax money is involved, that it comes from the cable 
agreement. He also mentioned that the issue was not really hate 
speech vs. free speech, but I forget what he did say it was (forgive 
me). Durl did well to show compassion and understanding to entire community.

The public discussion was not acted on, but will pick up again in 2 
weeks. The council members were all too tired. The lawyer for the 
city was asked to look in to a few issues and prepare a report. I 
think it was Charlie Smythe who asked "Could a group of people sue 
Mr. Dunleve". The lawyer said "I can give you a quick answer right 
now." But they decided that it would be best to wait on that issue as well.

The media was there. Channel 15's camera left around the time the 
open topics finished. The News-Gazette and WILL stayed throughout. 
And a few TV people stayed, but I don't think there was a camera with 
them (there might have been).

It had been grueling. The Urbana City Council Chambers were packed. 
Standing room only at the beginning, then large pockets of people 
stood in the hallway for a long time. Dwindling over the extended 
time, there were finally enough seats for anyone who wanted one.

After the meeting was adjourned, on the way out the door, one man 
told Durl that since the City Council Chambers were used for some of 
the filming of UPTV content, that tax money was involved. A parking 
lot discussion with Durl and some of the community involved may have 
led to some other ideas.

-karen medina