[Peace-discuss] Re: Urbana City Council meeting last night --
what's in a name?
David Green
davegreen84 at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 16 13:36:31 CDT 2008
His name is Brumleve, and he is the one submitting these shows. I don't know anything about him personally, and I have not seen the shows. They do sound objectionable, although my view is that they present no danger to anyone. There is plenty of nonsense to go around, much of it having much more dire consequences.
David Green
Karen Capel <kcapel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Pardon my butting in, but is this discussion about a Mr. Dunleve or a
Mr. Brumleve?
In case there is a mix-up, I think that it might be appropriate to
get a name straight before you start flinging condemnation,
name-calling, and threatening lawsuit.
I happen to know a Mr. Brumleve, and he seems anything but "a
crackpot" worthy of a "lawsuit." And he probably wouldn't look very
kindly on this discussion with his name being used if it's been
improperly interjected.
Could someone please clarify this for me? Thanks.
Karen Capel
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:29:52 -0700
From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Urbana City Council meeting last night
To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
How ridiculous. Brumleve is a crackpot, of course. But suffice it
to say that if there was a show that told the awful truth about the
ethnic cleansing of Palestine, from 1948 to the current day, then the
same folks would be labeling that "hate speech" too.
What really is sad is that because of their hyper-sensitivity and
complete lack of perspective, the local Zionist self-pity partyers
put everyone else through an evening that sounds like having to go to
three Bar Mitzvahs. Now you know what we have to deal with.
DG
Karen Medina wrote:
The Urbana City Council met Monday night. The meeting was about
UPTV and Mr. Dunleve's hate speech dvds from David Duke. The meeting
went on for 4-1/2 hours (7pm-11:33pm).
UPTV was #8 on the agenda, so people stood through the long
presentation about the plan for the Boneyard. They stood through a
public arts report and proposal. They stood through the combining of
the conflicting revisions of the arts proposal. And literally dozens
of people spoke on the hate speech vs. free speech issue (they were
given 5 minutes apiece). The other points made were: hate speech
leads to violence possibly of some unstable person who watches and
then decides that the Jews are to blame for everything, that
vandolism and grafiti have already been a problem for years, that
Dunleve did not have copyright permission for a long time and that he
had removed the titles and credits on the shows so that nobody could
tell where he was getting the stuff for a long time, that the city
could be sued, that tax money should not go toward this, and how
horrible it was to know that someone out there wanted to kill them.
Around 10:45, the Council paused the UPTV discussion and rushed
through the remaining 7 items on the agenda. Then returned to the
UPTV discussion again, giving the last 6 people who wanted to talk
about 2 minutes apiece. Durl Kruse was the next to last to speak. He
mentioned that no tax money is involved, that it comes from the cable
agreement. He also mentioned that the issue was not really hate
speech vs. free speech, but I forget what he did say it was (forgive
me). Durl did well to show compassion and understanding to entire community.
The public discussion was not acted on, but will pick up again in 2
weeks. The council members were all too tired. The lawyer for the
city was asked to look in to a few issues and prepare a report. I
think it was Charlie Smythe who asked "Could a group of people sue
Mr. Dunleve". The lawyer said "I can give you a quick answer right
now." But they decided that it would be best to wait on that issue as well.
The media was there. Channel 15's camera left around the time the
open topics finished. The News-Gazette and WILL stayed throughout.
And a few TV people stayed, but I don't think there was a camera with
them (there might have been).
It had been grueling. The Urbana City Council Chambers were packed.
Standing room only at the beginning, then large pockets of people
stood in the hallway for a long time. Dwindling over the extended
time, there were finally enough seats for anyone who wanted one.
After the meeting was adjourned, on the way out the door, one man
told Durl that since the City Council Chambers were used for some of
the filming of UPTV content, that tax money was involved. A parking
lot discussion with Durl and some of the community involved may have
led to some other ideas.
-karen medina
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