[Peace-discuss] Re: Urbana City Council meeting last night -- what's in a name?

[Ricky Baldwin]

I know him.  He is a neighbor of mine, and I have talked with him in his home (a very
painful hour and a half or so, of the kind we generally reserve for persons of Mr
Brumleve's age and mental state - I say this without an ounce of meanness, but out of
real compassion for someone who is very confused and frustrated and suffering from
obvious mental 'issues': the News-Gazette's disgenuous editorial about him made him
sound about 300 percent more coherent than he is).  He has been to AWARE meetings as
well, way back.

Ricky
--- David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> His name is Brumleve, and he is the one submitting these shows. I don't know anything
> about him personally, and I have not seen the shows. They do sound objectionable,
> although my view is that they present no danger to anyone. There is plenty of
> nonsense to go around, much of it having much more dire consequences. 
>    
>   David Green
> 
> Karen Capel <kcapel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   Pardon my butting in, but is this discussion about a Mr. Dunleve or a 
> Mr. Brumleve?
> 
> In case there is a mix-up, I think that it might be appropriate to 
> get a name straight before you start flinging condemnation, 
> name-calling, and threatening lawsuit.
> 
> I happen to know a Mr. Brumleve, and he seems anything but "a 
> crackpot" worthy of a "lawsuit." And he probably wouldn't look very 
> kindly on this discussion with his name being used if it's been 
> improperly interjected.
> 
> Could someone please clarify this for me? Thanks.
> 
> Karen Capel
> 
> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> 
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:29:52 -0700
> From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Urbana City Council meeting last night
> To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> 
> How ridiculous. Brumleve is a crackpot, of course. But suffice it 
> to say that if there was a show that told the awful truth about the 
> ethnic cleansing of Palestine, from 1948 to the current day, then the 
> same folks would be labeling that "hate speech" too.
> 
> What really is sad is that because of their hyper-sensitivity and 
> complete lack of perspective, the local Zionist self-pity partyers 
> put everyone else through an evening that sounds like having to go to 
> three Bar Mitzvahs. Now you know what we have to deal with.
> 
> DG
> 
> 
> Karen Medina wrote:
> The Urbana City Council met Monday night. The meeting was about 
> UPTV and Mr. Dunleve's hate speech dvds from David Duke. The meeting 
> went on for 4-1/2 hours (7pm-11:33pm).
> 
> UPTV was #8 on the agenda, so people stood through the long 
> presentation about the plan for the Boneyard. They stood through a 
> public arts report and proposal. They stood through the combining of 
> the conflicting revisions of the arts proposal. And literally dozens 
> of people spoke on the hate speech vs. free speech issue (they were 
> given 5 minutes apiece). The other points made were: hate speech 
> leads to violence possibly of some unstable person who watches and 
> then decides that the Jews are to blame for everything, that 
> vandolism and grafiti have already been a problem for years, that 
> Dunleve did not have copyright permission for a long time and that he 
> had removed the titles and credits on the shows so that nobody could 
> tell where he was getting the stuff for a long time, that the city 
> could be sued, that tax money should not go toward this, and how 
> horrible it was to know that someone out there wanted to kill them.
> 
> Around 10:45, the Council paused the UPTV discussion and rushed 
> through the remaining 7 items on the agenda. Then returned to the 
> UPTV discussion again, giving the last 6 people who wanted to talk 
> about 2 minutes apiece. Durl Kruse was the next to last to speak. He 
> mentioned that no tax money is involved, that it comes from the cable 
> agreement. He also mentioned that the issue was not really hate 
> speech vs. free speech, but I forget what he did say it was (forgive 
> me). Durl did well to show compassion and understanding to entire community.
> 
> The public discussion was not acted on, but will pick up again in 2 
> weeks. The council members were all too tired. The lawyer for the 
> city was asked to look in to a few issues and prepare a report. I 
> think it was Charlie Smythe who asked "Could a group of people sue 
> Mr. Dunleve". The lawyer said "I can give you a quick answer right 
> now." But they decided that it would be best to wait on that issue as well.
> 
> The media was there. Channel 15's camera left around the time the 
> open topics finished. The News-Gazette and WILL stayed throughout. 
> And a few TV people stayed, but I don't think there was a camera with 
> them (there might have been).
> 
> It had been grueling. The Urbana City Council Chambers were packed. 
> Standing room only at the beginning, then large pockets of people 
> stood in the hallway for a long time. Dwindling over the extended 
> time, there were finally enough seats for anyone who wanted one.
> 
> After the meeting was adjourned, on the way out the door, one man 
> told Durl that since the City Council Chambers were used for some of 
> the filming of UPTV content, that tax money was involved. A parking 
> lot discussion with Durl and some of the community involved may have 
> led to some other ideas.
> 
> -karen medina
> 
> 
> 
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