[Peace-discuss] Seminar

[John W.]

At 02:33 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote:

>When a cop tells me to pull over, or airport security tells me to step out 
>of line, I usually continue on my way (guardedly) until I'm sure they 
>really do mean me (since I've done nothing wrong). But when I'm sure they 
>DO mean me, I stop and do as they say... and I'm sure everyone on this 
>list does too (if for no other reason than we know refusal to comply will 
>not mean the subject is dropped). I'm a law-abiding citizen (mostly) and 
>I've always assumed the police have the right to stop me if they believe 
>something's amiss... but do they really?? What DO the police have a right 
>to tell us to do?? And to do to us as a follow-up if we ignore them?? 
>(Chpgn and Urbana police appear to be in absolute agreement). And what (if 
>anything) do we have a right to ignore or refuse to do?? I'd really like 
>to know the legality of this, what's really on the books.
>  --Jenifer


Here are several links that are at least somewhat on point:

http://www.public-defender10-fl.org/police.html - "Police Encounters", from 
the Office of the Public Defender, 10th Judicial Circuit of Florida

http://www.legal-info-legale.nb.ca/showpub.asp?id=157&langid=1 - The Law, 
The Police and You: Your Rights When Questioned, Detained or Arrested"

http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/fourth_amendment_searches_and_seizures/index.html 
- "The Fourth Amendment's 'Reasonable People'" - 5th article down on the 
left hand side

http://www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police_consent1.shtml - "Guidelines 
for Saying 'No' To Police Searches"

http://www.charityadvantage.com/CUAPB/KNYPoliceEncounters.asp  - "Know Your 
Rights: Police Encounters and Arrests", from the Minnesota Chapter of the 
National Lawyers Guild © 2003


I'm sure there are others.  I googled "when the police tell you to stop".

John Wason



>Karen Medina <kmedina at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>I am more and more convinced that everything Brian did was what I would 
>have done if I was being followed by thugs.
>
>-karen medina
>
>---- Original message ----
> >Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:59:50 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: Jenifer Cartwright
> >Subject: [Peace-discuss] Seminar
> >To: Peace-discuss List
> >
> > Friends,
> > I attended a seminar on Thursday in which an
> > Urbana police officer gave a description of his
> > typical day at work.
> > One example included a incident in which he
> > observed a driver tap another bumper while parking
> > (no damage) and when the officer went to
> > "investigate," the driver (already out of the car)
> > took off running on foot. The officer chased,
> > tackled, maced, subdued, and cuffed the "suspect"
> > (sound familiar???) who, it then turned out, was in
> > CU in violation of parole. The officer was really
> > proud of his police work that day. Apparently
> > running away from a police officer is illegal in
> > Urbana, too.
> > Another example involved setting up a speed
> > trap at an intesection known to have frequent
> > accidents involving speeding (or so he said) at (I
> > think) Fairlawn Drive. The idea was to catch those
> > over the speed limit w/ expired licenses and no
> > insurance, plus -- if drivers are seen to bend down
> > (as if to stash or retrieve something under the
> > front seat), the officer was w/in his rights to
> > frisk the driver and then search the car. So if y're
> > stopped for speeding and drop a pen or earring,
> > don't pick it up until later...
> > I asked about assault weapons, gun laws, that I'd
> > heard that police were in favor of that. No, he
> > said. He didn't favor that, because that just left
> > guns in the hands of the criminal element insead of
> > in the hands of law-abiding citizens.
> > Moral: if y're a law abiding citizen, carry a gun
> > (and don't bend over).
> > --Jenifer
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