[Peace-discuss] Repeat Response

[Robert Dunn]

Incorrect again, i was referring to Hippie Joe and the fact that in San Francisco, actual neo-Nazis were infiltrating peace marches and nothing was done about it. Again, get your facts straight. I can provide several witnesses who saw your behavior at the event. Many of them were students who had no clue who you were.> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:51:39 -0700> From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Repeat Response> To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net> > Robert, that is utter nonsense. I never touched anyone> at that event. By the way, at that particular event,> Robert accused AWARE of being anti-semitic.> > > --- Robert Dunn <prorobert8 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > > Wow David, memory lapses, so how can you accuse Lee> > of lying if you do not remember if you initiated the> > confrontation? As far as the hostility was shown, I> > remember David, that you shoved me out of line at> > the Professor Brustein lecture and proceeded to grab> > the speaker by his shoulders. Get your facts> > straight, your paranoia is only making you look> > ridiculous.> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:08:19 -0700>> > From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com> To:> > peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Subject: [Peace-discuss]> > Repeat Response> > I was told to send the message in> > plain text. I> apologize either for the repeated> > message or for the> previous message being difficult> > to read.> > DG> > In response to Lee Melhado’s> > letter in the N-G today,> let me make the following> > corrections:> > First, I did not interrupt a> > questioner. The speaker> had indicated that he would> > be taking no more> questions, after giving long and> > rambling answers to 4> or 5. He was either on his> > last or next-to-last point,> which was a question on> > his part: How would we respond> if we had 3,600> > rockets fired onto our land. At the> point, I asked> > a question (without raising my hand):> How would we> > respond if Canada occupied Montana and> established> > Canadian-only settlements and> Canadian-only roads?>> > > I do not recall how I was “gesticulating,” nor> > could I> see whether my face turned red. I was> > certainly> passionate and angry, but not abusive in> > the least,> and in addition I was speaking loudly to> > be heard from> the back of the room. I’m not aware> > that it is a crime> to either turn red-faced or> > gesticulate. After> speaking for less than one> > minute (not “several> minutes”) Fred Gottheil> > interrupted me by shouting (as> I later was told)> > “We’ll bomb you just like we bomb> Hamas.” At that> > point, several other individuals> yelled at me (I> > think including Gottheil’s wife); the> infirm> > gentleman, Ehud Yairi, sitting near me, stood> up> > and shuffled toward me with his cane while loudly>> > and angrily berating me. I spoke for perhaps one> > more> minute after being interrupted, including a> > response> to a factual error that the speaker had> > made about the> percentage of “religious” settlers.>> > > At that point, the speaker intervened in order to> > not> answer my question, but at least to conclude> > the> festivities. He did accuse me of making up> > facts.> > Afterwards, I walked up to Yairi, getting> > no closer> than five feet. I very angrily said to> > him, twice,> “Don’t ever get in my face again.” At> > that point a> younger man intervened, and physical> > contact ensued.> It’s interesting that Melhado> > claims that I “attacked”> Yairi, while not claiming> > that the shoving was> initiated by me. In fact, it> > wasn’t, although I do not> recall exactly what> > happened.> > Melhado’s assertion that I have a> > history of> disrupting Jewish-sponsored events is> > nonsense. I> disrupted one small conversation at> > Allen Hall in> November 2005, in response to> > condescending treatment> toward me by the speaker,> > Yossi Klein Halevi, which> was a campus-sponsored,> > not Jewish-sponsored, event.> Other than that, there> > have been no “rants.” The only> Jewish-sponsored> > event that I have attended in years> was a talk in> > February at the Illini Union by Provost> Brustein.> > In spite of a very tense and hostile> (towards me)> > environment, I said what I had to say in> a> > completely non-disruptive manner. In that> > situation,> Fred Gottheil had no choice but to> > behave himself. Not> so at Hillel.> > Years ago,> > when Meredith Kruse was director of IDF,> she> > invited a Palestinian student from Iowa to speak.>> > She told me at the time that prior to the event,> > she> received a call from Gottheil, who was furious> > with> her. When Palestinian rights activist Mazin> > Qumsiyeh> spoke at the YMCA in April 2005 as part of> > the Wheels> of Justice tour, sponsored by AWARE, the> > directors of> the Y received a nasty phone call from> > Joel Schwitzer,> Director of Hillel, complaining> > that allowing him to> speak was doing damage to the> > relationship that he had> developed with the Y. This> > is the sort of “disruption”> that goes on.> >> > Finally, Melhado’s assertion that the speaker,> > David> Makovsky, was “moderate” and “measured” is> > true only> within the limited framework of Zionist> > discourse. He> began his talk with the following> > summary of over a> century of Zionist/Arab history:> > The Jews came in> peace, but the Arabs wanted war. I> > kid you not. The> main point of his talk was that> > the Palestinians,> somehow, were not doing a good> > job of “economic> development.” Gosh, I wonder why?> > But Makovsky, on> behalf of the Washington Institute> > for Near East> Policy, had made several trips over> > to talk to PA> leadership, and he was confident that> > they might be> making some progress with corruption.> > His conclusion> was that although he would like to> > see some> settlements go, it was not quite time for> > that yet.> Instead, he would like to see Palestinian> > life made> easier by Israel posting more soldiers at> > checkpoints> and making the process more> > “efficient.” I kid you> not. After all, how would we> > like 3,600 rockets?> > I realize that I acted out of> > frustration and with> poor judgment at this event. I> > committed no crime and> abused nobody by speaking> > out in the manner I did. I> did violate decorum. Out> > of the 80 or 90 who attended,> only 4 or 5 chose to> > shout me down. Clearly, they were> ready to blow, as> > was I, although not with a personal> attack. After> > all, I do have a history in this> community of being> > disruptive by impolitely pointing> out that what we> > quaintly call “Jewish culture and> society” has been> > placed into the service of ongoing> ethnic> > cleansing.> > I regret allowing these events to take> > us off topic.> > > > > > > > > >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________>> > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all> > with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ>> > _______________________________________________>> > Peace-discuss mailing list>> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> >> http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/peace-discuss> >> _________________________________________________________________> > Make i'm yours.  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