[Peace-discuss] Repeat Response

Thu Apr 24 19:22:28 CDT 2008

Robert, you're both a liar and a fool.

--- Robert Dunn <prorobert8 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Incorrect again, i was referring to Hippie Joe and
> the fact that in San Francisco, actual neo-Nazis
> were infiltrating peace marches and nothing was done
> about it. Again, get your facts straight. I can
> provide several witnesses who saw your behavior at
> the event. Many of them were students who had no
> clue who you were.> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:51:39
> -0700> From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com> Subject: RE:
> [Peace-discuss] Repeat Response> To:
> peace-discuss at anti-war.net> > Robert, that is utter
> nonsense. I never touched anyone> at that event. By
> the way, at that particular event,> Robert accused
> AWARE of being anti-semitic.> > > --- Robert Dunn
> <prorobert8 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > > Wow David,
> memory lapses, so how can you accuse Lee> > of lying
> if you do not remember if you initiated the> >
> confrontation? As far as the hostility was shown, I>
> > remember David, that you shoved me out of line at>
> > the Professor Brustein lecture and proceeded to
> grab> > the speaker by his shoulders. Get your
> facts> > straight, your paranoia is only making you
> look> > ridiculous.> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:08:19
> -0700>> > From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com> To:> >
> peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Subject:
> [Peace-discuss]> > Repeat Response> > I was told to
> send the message in> > plain text. I> apologize
> either for the repeated> > message or for the>
> previous message being difficult> > to read.> > DG>
> > In response to Lee Melhado’s> > letter in the N-G
> today,> let me make the following> > corrections:> >
> First, I did not interrupt a> > questioner. The
> speaker> had indicated that he would> > be taking no
> more> questions, after giving long and> > rambling
> answers to 4> or 5. He was either on his> > last or
> next-to-last point,> which was a question on> > his
> part: How would we respond> if we had 3,600> >
> rockets fired onto our land. At the> point, I asked>
> > a question (without raising my hand):> How would
> we> > respond if Canada occupied Montana and>
> established> > Canadian-only settlements and>
> Canadian-only roads?>> > > I do not recall how I was
> “gesticulating,” nor> > could I> see whether my face
> turned red. I was> > certainly> passionate and
> angry, but not abusive in> > the least,> and in
> addition I was speaking loudly to> > be heard from>
> the back of the room. I’m not aware> > that it is a
> crime> to either turn red-faced or> > gesticulate.
> After> speaking for less than one> > minute (not
> “several> minutes”) Fred Gottheil> > interrupted me
> by shouting (as> I later was told)> > “We’ll bomb
> you just like we bomb> Hamas.” At that> > point,
> several other individuals> yelled at me (I> > think
> including Gottheil’s wife); the> infirm> >
> gentleman, Ehud Yairi, sitting near me, stood> up> >
> and shuffled toward me with his cane while loudly>>
> > and angrily berating me. I spoke for perhaps one>
> > more> minute after being interrupted, including a>
> > response> to a factual error that the speaker had>
> > made about the> percentage of “religious”
> settlers.>> > > At that point, the speaker
> intervened in order to> > not> answer my question,
> but at least to conclude> > the> festivities. He did
> accuse me of making up> > facts.> > Afterwards, I
> walked up to Yairi, getting> > no closer> than five
> feet. I very angrily said to> > him, twice,> “Don’t
> ever get in my face again.” At> > that point a>
> younger man intervened, and physical> > contact
> ensued.> It’s interesting that Melhado> > claims
> that I “attacked”> Yairi, while not claiming> > that
> the shoving was> initiated by me. In fact, it> >
> wasn’t, although I do not> recall exactly what> >
> happened.> > Melhado’s assertion that I have a> >
> history of> disrupting Jewish-sponsored events is> >
> nonsense. I> disrupted one small conversation at> >
> Allen Hall in> November 2005, in response to> >
> condescending treatment> toward me by the speaker,>
> > Yossi Klein Halevi, which> was a
> campus-sponsored,> > not Jewish-sponsored, event.>
> Other than that, there> > have been no “rants.” The
> only> Jewish-sponsored> > event that I have attended
> in years> was a talk in> > February at the Illini
> Union by Provost> Brustein.> > In spite of a very
> tense and hostile> (towards me)> > environment, I
> said what I had to say in> a> > completely
> non-disruptive manner. In that> > situation,> Fred
> Gottheil had no choice but to> > behave himself.
> Not> so at Hillel.> > Years ago,> > when Meredith
> Kruse was director of IDF,> she> > invited a
> Palestinian student from Iowa to speak.>> > She told
> me at the time that prior to the event,> > she>
> received a call from Gottheil, who was furious> >
> with> her. When Palestinian rights activist Mazin> >
> Qumsiyeh> spoke at the YMCA in April 2005 as part
> of> > the Wheels> of Justice tour, sponsored by
> AWARE, the> > directors of> the Y received a nasty
> phone call from> > Joel Schwitzer,> Director of
> Hillel, complaining> > that allowing him to> speak
> was doing damage to the> > relationship that he had>
> developed with the Y. This> > is the sort of
> “disruption”> that goes on.> >> > Finally, Melhado’s
> assertion that the speaker,> > David> Makovsky, was
> “moderate” and “measured” is> > true only> within
> the limited framework of Zionist> > discourse. He>
> began his talk with the following> > summary of over
> a> century of Zionist/Arab history:> > The Jews came
> in> peace, but the Arabs wanted war. I> > kid you
> not. The> main point of his talk was that> > the
> Palestinians,> somehow, were not doing a good> > job
> of “economic> development.” Gosh, I wonder why?> >
> But Makovsky, on> behalf of the Washington
> Institute> > for Near East> Policy, had made several
> trips over> > to talk to PA> leadership, and he was
> confident that> > they might be> making some
> progress with corruption.> > His conclusion> was
> that although he would like to> > see some>
> settlements go, it was not quite time for> > that
> yet.> Instead, he would like to see Palestinian> >
> life made> easier by Israel posting more soldiers
> at> > checkpoints> and making the process more> >
> “efficient.” I kid you> not. After all, how would
> we> > like 3,600 rockets?> > I realize that I acted
> out of> > frustration and with> poor judgment at
> this event. I> > committed no crime and> abused
> nobody by speaking> > out in the manner I did. I>
> did violate decorum. Out> > of the 80 or 90 who
> attended,> only 4 or 5 chose to> > shout me down.
> Clearly, they were> ready to blow, as> > was I,
> although not with a personal> attack. After> > all,
> I do have a history in this> community of being> >
> disruptive by impolitely pointing> out that what we>
> > quaintly call “Jewish culture and> society” has
> been> > placed into the service of ongoing> ethnic>
> > cleansing.> > I regret allowing these events to
> take> > us off topic.> > > > > > > > > >> >>
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