[Peace-discuss] Repeat Response

[Robert Dunn]

Great logic David, when proven wrong again, resort to name calling, great leftist civility!> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:22:28 -0700> From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Repeat Response> To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net> > Robert, you're both a liar and a fool.> > --- Robert Dunn <prorobert8 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > > Incorrect again, i was referring to Hippie Joe and> > the fact that in San Francisco, actual neo-Nazis> > were infiltrating peace marches and nothing was done> > about it. Again, get your facts straight. I can> > provide several witnesses who saw your behavior at> > the event. Many of them were students who had no> > clue who you were.> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:51:39> > -0700> From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com> Subject: RE:> > [Peace-discuss] Repeat Response> To:> > peace-discuss at anti-war.net> > Robert, that is utter> > nonsense. I never touched anyone> at that event. By> > the way, at that particular event,> Robert accused> > AWARE of being anti-semitic.> > > --- Robert Dunn> > <prorobert8 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > > Wow David,> > memory lapses, so how can you accuse Lee> > of lying> > if you do not remember if you initiated the> >> > confrontation? As far as the hostility was shown, I>> > > remember David, that you shoved me out of line at>> > > the Professor Brustein lecture and proceeded to> > grab> > the speaker by his shoulders. Get your> > facts> > straight, your paranoia is only making you> > look> > ridiculous.> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:08:19> > -0700>> > From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com> To:> >> > peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Subject:> > [Peace-discuss]> > Repeat Response> > I was told to> > send the message in> > plain text. I> apologize> > either for the repeated> > message or for the>> > previous message being difficult> > to read.> > DG>> > > In response to Lee Melhado’s> > letter in the N-G> > today,> let me make the following> > corrections:> >> > First, I did not interrupt a> > questioner. The> > speaker> had indicated that he would> > be taking no> > more> questions, after giving long and> > rambling> > answers to 4> or 5. He was either on his> > last or> > next-to-last point,> which was a question on> > his> > part: How would we respond> if we had 3,600> >> > rockets fired onto our land. At the> point, I asked>> > > a question (without raising my hand):> How would> > we> > respond if Canada occupied Montana and>> > established> > Canadian-only settlements and>> > Canadian-only roads?>> > > I do not recall how I was> > “gesticulating,” nor> > could I> see whether my face> > turned red. I was> > certainly> passionate and> > angry, but not abusive in> > the least,> and in> > addition I was speaking loudly to> > be heard from>> > the back of the room. I’m not aware> > that it is a> > crime> to either turn red-faced or> > gesticulate.> > After> speaking for less than one> > minute (not> > “several> minutes”) Fred Gottheil> > interrupted me> > by shouting (as> I later was told)> > “We’ll bomb> > you just like we bomb> Hamas.” At that> > point,> > several other individuals> yelled at me (I> > think> > including Gottheil’s wife); the> infirm> >> > gentleman, Ehud Yairi, sitting near me, stood> up> >> > and shuffled toward me with his cane while loudly>>> > > and angrily berating me. I spoke for perhaps one>> > > more> minute after being interrupted, including a>> > > response> to a factual error that the speaker had>> > > made about the> percentage of “religious”> > settlers.>> > > At that point, the speaker> > intervened in order to> > not> answer my question,> > but at least to conclude> > the> festivities. He did> > accuse me of making up> > facts.> > Afterwards, I> > walked up to Yairi, getting> > no closer> than five> > feet. I very angrily said to> > him, twice,> “Don’t> > ever get in my face again.” At> > that point a>> > younger man intervened, and physical> > contact> > ensued.> It’s interesting that Melhado> > claims> > that I “attacked”> Yairi, while not claiming> > that> > the shoving was> initiated by me. In fact, it> >> > wasn’t, although I do not> recall exactly what> >> > happened.> > Melhado’s assertion that I have a> >> > history of> disrupting Jewish-sponsored events is> >> > nonsense. I> disrupted one small conversation at> >> > Allen Hall in> November 2005, in response to> >> > condescending treatment> toward me by the speaker,>> > > Yossi Klein Halevi, which> was a> > campus-sponsored,> > not Jewish-sponsored, event.>> > Other than that, there> > have been no “rants.” The> > only> Jewish-sponsored> > event that I have attended> > in years> was a talk in> > February at the Illini> > Union by Provost> Brustein.> > In spite of a very> > tense and hostile> (towards me)> > environment, I> > said what I had to say in> a> > completely> > non-disruptive manner. In that> > situation,> Fred> > Gottheil had no choice but to> > behave himself.> > Not> so at Hillel.> > Years ago,> > when Meredith> > Kruse was director of IDF,> she> > invited a> > Palestinian student from Iowa to speak.>> > She told> > me at the time that prior to the event,> > she>> > received a call from Gottheil, who was furious> >> > with> her. When Palestinian rights activist Mazin> >> > Qumsiyeh> spoke at the YMCA in April 2005 as part> > of> > the Wheels> of Justice tour, sponsored by> > AWARE, the> > directors of> the Y received a nasty> > phone call from> > Joel Schwitzer,> Director of> > Hillel, complaining> > that allowing him to> speak> > was doing damage to the> > relationship that he had>> > developed with the Y. This> > is the sort of> > “disruption”> that goes on.> >> > Finally, Melhado’s> > assertion that the speaker,> > David> Makovsky, was> > “moderate” and “measured” is> > true only> within> > the limited framework of Zionist> > discourse. He>> > began his talk with the following> > summary of over> > a> century of Zionist/Arab history:> > The Jews came> > in> peace, but the Arabs wanted war. I> > kid you> > not. The> main point of his talk was that> > the> > Palestinians,> somehow, were not doing a good> > job> > of “economic> development.” Gosh, I wonder why?> >> > But Makovsky, on> behalf of the Washington> > Institute> > for Near East> Policy, had made several> > trips over> > to talk to PA> leadership, and he was> > confident that> > they might be> making some> > progress with corruption.> > His conclusion> was> > that although he would like to> > see some>> > settlements go, it was not quite time for> > that> > yet.> Instead, he would like to see Palestinian> >> > life made> easier by Israel posting more soldiers> > at> > checkpoints> and making the process more> >> > “efficient.” I kid you> not. After all, how would> > we> > like 3,600 rockets?> > I realize that I acted> > out of> > frustration and with> poor judgment at> > this event. I> > committed no crime and> abused> > nobody by speaking> > out in the manner I did. I>> > did violate decorum. Out> > of the 80 or 90 who> > attended,> only 4 or 5 chose to> > shout me down.> > Clearly, they were> ready to blow, as> > was I,> > although not with a personal> attack. After> > all,> > I do have a history in this> community of being> >> > disruptive by impolitely pointing> out that what we>> > > quaintly call “Jewish culture and> society” has> > been> > placed into the service of ongoing> ethnic>> > > cleansing.> > I regret allowing these events to> > take> > us off topic.> > > > > > > > > >> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________>>> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all>> > > with Yahoo! Mobile. 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