[Peace-discuss] Fwd: War is illegal - International Declaration

[C. G. Estabrook]

I agree with Randall.  The statement clearly aligns signers with the 
"911 Truth" movement, and I don't think AWARE should limit itself to 
that.  --CGE

Brussel Morton K. wrote:
> There have been books written about 9/11, both(?) ways, so you will not 
> have a definitive answer to your question. I happen to believe that a 
> more open and better inquiry about 9/11 would be useful, and since I 
> think the rest of the statement is to the point, I'll propose that 
> AWARE  sign off on it. Are you not being overly fastidious on this?
> 
> --mkb
> 
> 
> On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:28 PM, Randall Cotton wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure how I missed it when I first read this statement, but 
>> part of
>> it says "well documented evidence shows that the official explanation of
>> 9/11 cannot be correct." This is in the context of calling for an
>> international investigation of the 9/11 events. I support an 
>> international
>> investigation but while I don't discount the possibility that this claim
>> is true, I haven't seriously considered the matter and can neither 
>> aver or
>> deny the truth of that claim. So I'm not sure I will propose AWARE become
>> signatory to this at tomorrow's meeting after all (maybe at a later
>> meeting instead). I may revoke my own personal signature to the statement
>> as well until I clarify this issue (being a well-executed project, one 
>> can
>> revoke one's signature simply through e-mail, according to information on
>> the website).
>>
>> Can anyone provide or lead me to unassailable facts showing the truth or
>> falsehood of this claim?
>>
>> R
>>
>> PS We can speculate infinitely on this matter of course, but I don't 
>> think
>> that's useful - I'm definitely not suggesting anyone engage in that on
>> this list and hope folks will resist any such temptation. Just facts or
>> pointers to such, please.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: War is illegal - International
>> Declaration
>>
>>
>> : Hear, Hear!
>> :
>> : An excellent statement and a serious, well-organized international
>> effort.
>> :
>> : I urge folks to take a moment, read the statement, go to the website 
>> and
>> : consider signing.
>> :
>> : I also plan to propose AWARE sign as a group at next week's meeting, so
>> : especially if you plan to attend, please have a look at the statement.
>> :
>> : R
>> :
>> : PS: One might ask oneself what good can a signature on a German website
>> : do? I happen to believe that in the future (however far), 
>> well-organized
>> : international peace efforts conducted electronically via the Internet
>> have
>> : the potential to profoundly transform grassroots activism into powerful
>> : global forces. Efforts like this in Germany I think offer the first
>> : glimmer of what's possible and so it should be supported on that
>> principle
>> : and not just on the value of its statement. Not every effort deserves
>> our
>> : attention, but this one seems particularly serious and well-executed.
>> :
>> : ----- Original Message -----
>> : From: "Brussel Morton K." <mkbrussel at comcast.net>
>> : To: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>> : Cc: <peace at anti-war.net>
>> : Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:55 PM
>> : Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: War is illegal - International 
>> Declaration
>> :
>> :
>> : FYI. Perhaps AWARE should affix its name, as well as individuals.
>> :
>> : Begin forwarded message:
>> :
>> : > From: email at hbuecker.net
>> : > Date: April 23, 2008 10:21:07 PM CDT
>> : > To: brussel at uiuc.edu
>> : > Subject: War is illegal - International Declaration
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >  Please take a look at  war-is-illegal.org
>> : > an international declaration initiated by shops and international
>> : > artists in Berlin
>> : >
>> : > If you would like to have your name added to the list please reply
>> : > to this e-mail
>> : > send name or name of organisation - work or activity - city/country
>> : > - and a website address if you like
>> : >
>> : > Thank you very much
>> : > Heinrich Buecker
>> : > Coop Cafe,  Berlin, Rochstr.3
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : > War is illegal
>> : >
>> : > Against a background of escalating ecological crises, and the fact
>> : > that large parts of the world´s population are being exposed to
>> : > extreme poverty, inhuman working conditions and increasing social
>> : > tensions, the annual global military expenditure has risen to more
>> : > than 1000 billion dollars.
>> : > The military-industrial complex of just a few G8 countries is
>> : > responsible for the overwhelming part of this spending, causing
>> : > incalcuable social and ecological consequences.
>> : >
>> : > Unequal distribution of global resources, increasingly controlled
>> : > by large multinational companies, global debt policy and unfair
>> : > international trading practices ultimately could not be maintained
>> : > without military security. In many countries the military is used
>> : > to repress critical opposition.
>> : >
>> : > The terror attacks of September 11, 2001 are increasingly used to
>> : > justify systematic surveillance and the dismantling of
>> : > constitutional rights. Even European countries have helped to
>> : > establish Guantanomo-like secret prisons, where torture in all
>> : > probability takes place.
>> : >
>> : > Iraq was attacked based on falsified evidence causing the death of
>> : > hundreds of thousands of people, widespread destruction,
>> : > destabilization and contamination with cancer-causing depleted
>> : > uranium munitions.
>> : > Now plans to attack Iran and the possibility of a new World War
>> : > have been made public, meeting resistance even from moderate
>> : > elements within the military due to the unforeseeable consequences.
>> : >
>> : > Faced with the choice between a war, that according to some western
>> : > leaders, will last for many years or a possible peaceful
>> : > transformation we support the following demands:
>> : >
>> : > 1) Impeachment proceedings against US President Bush and US Vice
>> : > President Cheney before the 2008 election, a demand raised in
>> : > solidarity with large parts of the US public and some members of US
>> : > Congress. Furthermore prosecution by the International Court of
>> : > Justice of G. W. Bush, R. Cheney and other officials from various
>> : > countries for waging wars of aggression contrary to international
>> : > law and committing crimes against humanity.
>> : >
>> : > 2) International investigation of the September 11, 2001 terror
>> : > attacks. They are used as the central justification for the "War on
>> : > Terror", but well documented evidence shows that the official
>> : > explanation of 9/11 cannot be correct. International personalities
>> : > in science, politics, and culture, including high-ranking military
>> : > veterans, have called for a new investigation.
>> : >
>> : > 3) Immediate military withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq, and no
>> : > attack against Iran. International prohibition of war as a means of
>> : > conflict resolution. Military intervention and export of weapons
>> : > should be criminalized.
>> : > In a civilized society torture must be prohibited in any form.
>> : >
>> : > 4) Conversion of military industries to civilian purposes and the
>> : > development of ecological and sustainable energy resources.
>> : > According to the UN environmental agency, a fraction of the annual
>> : > global defence expenditure could ensure that all humans have access
>> : > to clean water and a basic supply of food and healthcare.
>> : >
>> : > This statement is based on a commitment to non-violence and
>> : > tolerance of all ethnic groups and religions. Two devastating World
>> : > Wars and historical catastrophes like the Nazi Holocaust must
>> : > always remind us of the worst consequences of nationalism, racism
>> : > and incitement to war.
>> : >
>> : > Sign this statement, pass it on, whatever we can do. It is up to us.
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : > signed by 1200 groups, businesses and individuals:
>> : >
>> : > to see websites of most signatories go to www.war-is-illegal.org
>> : >
>> : >
>> : > David Swanson - Co-founder Impeachment Coalition- USA
>> : > Nina Hagen - Musician - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Cynthia McKinney -US Presidential Candidate, Green Party 2008
>> : > CODEPINK Women for Peace - co-founder Gael Murphy- USA
>> : > Green Party of Washington State - Maryrose Asher, Chair - USA
>> : > Dr. Axel Troost - Member of German parliament - Bremen/Germany
>> : > Jonah House - Community/Nonviolence/Resistance - Baltimore/USA
>> : > Ko Un - Poet and Writer -Ansong/South Korea
>> : > Food Not Bombs - co-founder Keith McHenry- NM/USA
>> : > Eckart Spoo - Editor of biweekly magazine "Ossietzky"- Berlin/Germany
>> : > Felicia Langer - Alternative Nobel Prize Laureate - Tüb./Germany
>> : > Nebraskans for Peace-Statewide peace & justice organization-
>> : > Lincoln, NE/USA
>> : > Grassrootsamerica4us - Founder Tina Richards - USA -
>> : > grassrootsamerica4us.org
>> : > Dr. Motte - Founder Loveparade, Musician, DJ - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Michael Parenti Ph.D. - political author & scholar - Berkeley, Cal./
>> : > USA
>> : > Harold Barclay, PhD. - Prof. Anthropology University Alberta -
>> : > Edmonton/Canada
>> : > The Internationale of Military Draft Resisters- Berlin/Germany.
>> : > Combatants For Peace - Palestinian-Israeli Peace - Palestine
>> : > Renate Bahr - Co-Founder of Green Party Austria
>> : > Dr. Stefan Silber - spokesperson Pax Christi- Sailauf/Germany
>> : > Carsten Labudda -politician, DIE LINKE -Weinheim/Germany
>> : > Green Party of Delaware - David A. McCorquodale, Treasure - USA
>> : > Karin Gaulke - Projectsecretary Women Center Marie e.V. - Berlin/
>> : > Germany
>> : > Inge Keller - honorary member Deutsches Theater Berlin - Germany
>> : > Heike Haensel - Member of German parliament - Tüb./Germany
>> : > Seasolarstore - Energy Alternatives Inc. - Barrington, NH/USA
>> : > Ekkehard Sieker - TV-Journalist - Bad Hönningen/Germany
>> : > Peace Not War Japan -Raising awareness about peace -Tokyo/Japan
>> : > Freewayblogger - 3000 antiwar highway signs - California/USA
>> : > Phil Burk - Restoring Democracy - USA
>> : > Richard Sanders - Coalition to Oppose the Arms-Trade --Ottawa/Canada
>> : > Hedva Shemesh- Artist, Art Curator- Jerusalem/Israel
>> : > Coalition to Reaffirm and Extend the Geneva Conventions-Eugene, 
>> OR/USA
>> : > Anas Karzai, Ph.D - Professor of Sociology - Barrie, Ontario/Canada
>> : > Billionaires for Bush- Corporate Lobbyists - USA
>> : > Hans Boës - Futurologist - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Tom Santoni - Veterans For Peace - musician - Hastings, Florida/USA
>> : > Barbara Waschmann - Documentary Film Festival - Vienna/Austria
>> : > AlternaTees- Sweatshop-Free Tees for Peace - Brooklyn, NY/USA
>> : > Peace Movement Aotearoa - Peace Organisation - Aotearoa/New Zealand
>> : > Antinuclear.net - Christina Macpherson - Melbourne/Australia
>> : > Olaf Brühl - Film Director - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Querkopf e.V.- Homeless & Unemployed Newspaper Berlin/Germany
>> : > TUC Radio - Independent Radio - San Francisco/USA
>> : > Carlos Latuff - Cartoonist - Rio de Janeiro/Brazil
>> : > Indymedia Perth - Ray Grenfell, editor - Perth/Australia
>> : > Unite - Union of Workers - Auckland/New Zealand
>> : > Peace NO War Network - Lee Siu Hin - Los Angeles, CA/USA
>> : > Consumers for Peace - Peekskill, New York/USA
>> : > The Camp for Climate Action 2007- Leeds/UK
>> : > Ole Lehmann - Comedian, actor - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Charleston Peace - Anna Shockley - Charleston, SC, USA
>> : > Art Voices Against Poverty - Anne Radstaak - Germany
>> : > Wales Network for Peace & Nonviolence - Cardiff/UK
>> : > Peacetaxseven - No taxes for financing war - United Kingdom
>> : > SAWA - Support Association for the Women of Afghanistan - Australia
>> : > Midwest Independent Film Festival - Chicago, IL, USA
>> : >  agitart.org Artist/Activist collaborative - Los Angeles/Boston/USA
>> : > Dr. Maximilian C. Forte - Ass. Professor, Anthropology - Montreal/
>> : > Canada
>> : > Dr. Matthias Beier- Psychoanalyst, Scholar of Religion -NYC/USA
>> : > South Florida Raging Grannies-Promoting Peace, Justice, Equality-
>> : > Florida/USA
>> : > Murat Karabey -Actor - Berlin/German
>> : > Humanist Party of India -Sudhir Gandotra - Delhi/India
>> : > Brian Willson - USAF VN Vet, Veterans For Peace -Arcata, CA/USA
>> : > Permakultur Austria - Sustainable Living -Austria
>> : > Kolahstudio - Iranian Urban Art Movement - Teheran/Iran
>> : > Mondo Senza Guerre- Disarmo e Nonviolenza - Italy
>> : > Workers Solidarity- Antonio Rus Serrano- Madrid/Spain
>> : > Susan Dorothea White- Artist, Author - Sydney/Australia
>> : > Joe Kincheloe- Professor (McGill University) - Montreal/Canada
>> : > Kurt Daims- Vermont Town Petition to arrest Bush/Cheney -
>> : > Brattleboro, VT/USA
>> : > Environmentalists Against War- Gar Smith, co-founder - Berkeley, CA/
>> : > USA
>> : > Farah Notash- Artist, Left Unity - Vienna/Austria
>> : > Angie Zelter- Peace and environmental campaigner UK
>> : > Ukhampacha Bolivia- Indigenous Journalism - La Paz/Bolivia
>> : > Demokratische Linke - Landesverband Berlin/Germany
>> : > Global Coalition for Peace - Bethesda MD, USA
>> : > Elke Zwinge-Makamizile - documentary maker- Berlin/Germany
>> : > Café Zapata - Club, Café - Oranienburgerstr. 55 Berlin/Germany
>> : > Mohawk Nation News - Sovereignty for the Kanionke:haka
>> : > Sebastian Reuter- sounddesigner - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Ralf Mischnick - filmproduction - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Dirk Szuszies - film- & theatre director - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Middle East Children\'s Alliance - Barbara Lubin - Berkeley,CA/USA
>> : > Maryland United for Peace & Justice-Annual Peace Conference - USA
>> : > Norwich Stop the War Coalition- P. Offord - Norwich UK-
>> : > Zion Train - Dub/Reggae Band - London/UK
>> : > Dub Is A Weapon - Dave Hahn, musician- New York/USA
>> : > Portland Radio Authority - Alternative Radio - Portland, OR/USA
>> : > AVC Inc. -Trifon Haitas (Green Party) -Toronto/Canada
>> : > Curare e. V. - human rights organisation- Köln/Germany
>> : > Left Wing German Greens -Ralf Henze -Dannstadt/Germany
>> : > Elizabeth Barger-Artist for Peace-The Farm, Summertown, TN/USA
>> : > Hartford Catholic Worker Community -Christopher J. Doucot -Hartford
>> : > CT/USA
>> : > Thomas Reinert - steering committee B90/Green Party KV Coesfeld -
>> : > Dülmen/Germany
>> : > DAWN -DuPage Against War Now, Glen Ellyn-ClevelandIllinois/USA
>> : > United-For-Peace.org -Network for Peace -Germany
>> : > Malachy Kilbride -President  Wwashingtonpeacecenter.net
>> : > Jenny Watson - member of Pais (War Resisters International)
>> : > Netherlands
>> : > Vegan Society Austria -Felix Hnat -Vienna/Austria
>> : > People for Peace and Justice of Utah - grassroots movement - UT/USA
>> : > Carol Brouillet -Green Party candidate for Congress- Palo Alto, 
>> CA/USA
>> : > The July 7th Truth Campaign -London, UK
>> : > Else Tonke - Grandmothers against War - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Australian War Criminal Watch -Sydney, Australia-
>> : > australianwarcriminals.jitgede.com
>> : > SONAD- Organisation for Nonviolence & Development, Light Aganwa -
>> : > Khartoum/Sudan
>> : > Elfriede Krutsch - Medical Doctor, member of ATTAC and IPPNW. -
>> : > Berlin/Germany
>> : > Lynn Meadows - Green Party, Interfaith Council for Peace. -
>> : > Chelsea, MI, USA
>> : > Nepal Peace Party- Chair Bolaram Pandey - Kathmandu/Nepal
>> : > Robert Lewis - writer/filmmaker - Montreal, Canada
>> : > Campaign to Make War History -London/UK
>> : > Friendship and Peace Society - President Ellen Rosser -USA
>> : > Matthew Buechler - 2008 March On Ottawa-Ottawa/Canada
>> : > Bo Filter -Author, M.A., Psychology-Court.,  BC, Canada
>> : > Hermesse Julie -antropologist- Brussels, Belgium
>> : > Peter Bader- Verein der Deutsch-Balten Estlands - Tallinn,Estonia
>> : > Ralf Pandorf - Redakteur LabourNet Germany - Bochum/Germany
>> : > K. Bracken - Secretary Victoria Branch Maritime Union of Australia
>> : > Geoffrey Hagopian - Professor of Mathematics - Palm Desert, CA, USA
>> : > Mira Svartnes Thorsen - The Green Party Norway
>> : > Heidi Kloor - secretary ver.di Union - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Paul Craig Roberts -Former assistant editor, Wall St Journal - FL, 
>> USA
>> : > European Agency for Safety at Sea - Anders Björkman - Beausoleil,
>> : > France
>> : > Emmanuel Herchy - Professor for political science-Berlin, Germany
>> : > Fritz Vilmar- Professor for political science - Berlin/Germany
>> : > Women Against Military Madness - Polly Mann - MN, USA
>> : > Jean-Claude Englebert - ECOLO (Belgian Greens) - Brussels/Belgium
>> : > CONTEMPL8- Propaganda T-shirt Maker - MN, USA
>> : > Cristina Gay- Speaker UNE AUTRE GAUCHE - Belgium
>> : > Robert W. Halfhill- Green Party, Gay Activist-MN, USA
>> : > Sabine Schwenk - DIE LINKE Kreisverband Alzey-Worms
>> : > J. Benninger -Partner,  White Rose Coffeehouse - Canada
>> : > Gillian Norman- Dir./Prod. Avante Films - Sydney, Australia -
>> : > Will Thomas- Member of Veterans for Peace - Auburn, NH USA
>> : > Stefan Dolge - Koordination Attac Essen - Germany
>> : > Z-Bar - Bar, Art, Culture, Cinema  Berlin, Germany
>> : > Florian Gross - Co-Founder, Reopen 911 - Geneva, Switzerland
>> : > Robert Layton - Internat. Arbitrator - Lakeville, CT & NYC, USA
>> : > Dissident Voice- Kim Petersen, editor dissidentvoice.org - Anyang,
>> : > Korea
>> : > Marie Kullman - Coordinator for Buffalo War Resisters League - USA
>> : > Rev. Robert Mills - Minister Logos Institute of Spiritual Humanism
>> : > - Oakland Ca USA
>> : > Helene von Kolontay- DIE LINKE KV Daun - Germany
>> : > Rachel Gardam -Photographer ICP - New York/ USA
>> : > Peter Bürger-Catholic Theologian, Publisher-Duesseldorf, Germany-
>> : > friedensbilder.de
>> : > Irina Sels - Director - European School Parents Association.-
>> : > Brussels, Belgium
>> : > Dr. D. Fehrentz - chair Ass. of Victims of persecution by the Nazi
>> : > Regime VVN-BdA Heidelberg
>> : > Adam Kokesh - Iraq Veteran, US Marines -Santa Fe, NM, USA
>> : > Rick Pickett - Designer - Berkeley, CA, USA
>> : > Peter Simpson- Co-founder, Futenma-Henoko Network-Okinawa, Japan-
>> : > www.fhan.org
>> : > Bob & Adele DellaValle-Rauth- Missionaries to Haiti, Coord. Pax
>> : > Christi Virginia - USA
>> : > Nancy O’Byrne- Coordinator, Pax Christi Northeast Florida - St.
>> : > Augustine, USA
>> : > Rosemarie Pace- Director Pax Christi Metro New York - New York, NY,
>> : > USA
>> : > Daniel Tillias - Peace Worker -Haiti
>> : > John Downing -Pax Christi Pentagon Area -Arlington, VA, USA
>> : > Klaus Hartmann -Chairman of German Freethinker Association
>> : >
>> : > now more than 1200 signatories online:
>> : > www.war-is-illegal.org
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
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