[Peace-discuss] Hedges: only a candidate who calls for an immediate end to the war...

[Karen Medina]

Peace discuss,

There are a few other issues I consider important that I will mention with the opportunity which Neil's wonderful list of issues provides.
* private militaries
* immigration reform
* global warming issues (signing agreements with other countries, drilling in crazy places, wise choices of alternative energy sources and research, leadership in becoming less consumptive (pun intended), etc)
* bailing out companies that got too huge
* helping those who were taken in by the huge companies that made horrible decisions
* the poor: the disparities between the haves and the have-nots.

No single person alone, even a president, could effect significant positive movement on any of these issues. 

-karen medina


---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:16:22 -0500
>From: Neil Parthun <lennybrucefan at gmail.com>  
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Hedges: only a candidate who calls for an immediate end to the war...  
>To: jencart13 at yahoo.com
>Cc: AWARE Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>
>   I have read your statements.
>   All I've seen is "McCain or NOT McCain" and stating
>   that McCain would be worse.  Why?
>   Both candidates have talked about usage of the
>   military in an imperial fashion.
>   Both candidates have talked about a continued (if
>   not permanent) presence of United States troops in
>   both Afghanistan and Iraq.
>   Both are not interested in ending the war and
>   immediately withdrawing all soldiers.
>   Both are interested in continuation of domestic
>   spying and giving immunity to telecommunications.
>   Both are interested in increasing the military
>   budget and the size of the military for future
>   interventions.
>   Both candidates are against single payer health care
>   and support the disease industry of American
>   'medical care'.
>   The Democrats have voted for the Patriot Act.  They
>   voted to eviscerate the 4th Amendment and give
>   telecoms immunity from their illegal actions.  They
>   voted for the authorization of force.  They
>   appointed the conservative justices to the SCOTUS.
>    They've had years of opportunities to stop the
>   wars and not cede power to the President.  Yet,
>   that's exactly what they've done and continue to do.
>   For all those who have died (and will die under an
>   Obama Presidency), it is highly disrespectful to the
>   dead and the future dead to put their lives in the
>   balance on the basis of a wish, a hope and a lark
>   that Obama could possibly be pulled to end the orgy
>   of bloodshed and violence.
>   There is only this moment,
>                       
>        Neil
>    We absolutely have to refuse to attribute any kind
>   of permanency to that which is simply because it is.
>   [angela v. davis, 1944-]
>   The point is, the only real tools we have are our
>   eyes and our heads. Its not the act of seeing with
>   our own eyes alone; its correctly comprehending what
>   we see.
>   [warren ellis, 1968-]
>   On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Jenifer Cartwright
>   wrote:
>
>   I've mentioned issues besides foreign policy (which  
>   has a better chance w/ Obama than McCain). Please    
>   reread my earlier posts. Thanks.                     
>    --Jenifer                                          
>                                                        
>   --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Neil Parthun                     
>   <lennybrucefan at gmail.com> wrote:                     
>                                                        
>     From: Neil Parthun <lennybrucefan at gmail.com>       
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Hedges: only a        
>     candidate who calls for an immediate end to the    
>     war...                                             
>     To: jencart13 at yahoo.com                            
>     Cc: "AWARE Peace Discuss"                          
>     <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>                 
>     Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 11:55 AM             
>                                                        
>     Why can't he/we be serious?                        
>     Obama has stated that he is all for imperial wars  
>     and the frequent use of the military to fight the  
>     so-called "war on terror".  We can hope that we   
>     can affect changes within an Obama presidency that 
>     he'll actually be pulled left but that's not "hope 
>     we can believe in".                                
>     Please show us why we're wrong here rather than    
>     platitudes like "I'm glad you're voting in         
>     Illinois" and asserting that we cannot be serious. 
>     There is only this moment,                         
>                                           
>          Neil                                       
>      We absolutely have to refuse to attribute any    
>     kind of permanency to that which is simply because 
>     it is.                                             
>     [angela v. davis, 1944-]                           
>     The point is, the only real tools we have are our  
>     eyes and our heads. Its not the act of seeing with 
>     our own eyes alone; its correctly comprehending    
>     what we see.                                       
>     [warren ellis, 1968-]                              
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