[Peace-discuss] Inauguration thoughts

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The U.S. Peace Movement needs to be ever present and MORE vocal, until BOTH 
wars are ended !

Regardless of who is president.

The Democrats wasted almost 2-years ( from Jan. 2007 to the present ) doing 
NOTHING to end the war(s), except time and time again voting all the money 
Bush wanted to continue his killing spree and quest for empire, and whining 
about how the MINORITY republican opposition party prevented them ( dems ) 
from doing what the voters elected them to do !

They have had their chance and we have every right to be suspicious and 
skeptical of their REAL intentions.

David J.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brussel Morton K." <mkbrussel at comcast.net>
To: "C.G.Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inauguration thoughts


> Some are trying to be creative in what can be done to change the  current 
> policies, not simply ranting about what one doesn't like.
>
> I've been following the comments on the UFPJ on the listserve, and KZ  is 
> no fawning Democrat.
>
> --mkb
>
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:34 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>> "We don't pull people to us by protesting at his party."
>>
>> That's ridiculous.  The anti-war movement continues its abject 
>> capitulation to the Democrats -- "sticking close to Nurse / for  fear of 
>> something Worse," as the poet has it.
>>
>> Can we please ask that nice Mr. Obama and his SECURITY TEAM to  please, 
>> maybe, if it would not be too much trouble, and if they  won't frighten 
>> us with that awful Sarah Palin again, to please,  well, maybe just think 
>> about stopping killing people...?  (Of  course we'll understand if the 
>> TEAM has to keep doing it...)
>>
>> Three out of four eligible voters did NOT vote for Obama, and many  who 
>> did, did so not because they approved of his policies -- which  were not 
>> considered in the campaign, being identical in important  matters from 
>> those of his opponents -- but because his carefully- arranged opposition 
>> was worse.
>>
>> We should do all we can to demonstrate against the murderous and 
>> unbroken policies of the US government.  --CGE
>>
>>
>> Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>>> These thoughts come from the UFPJ listserve, in which it was  suggested 
>>> that there be protests at the inauguration ceremonies in  January. Its 
>>> author is one Kevin Zeese.
>>> While I share John's [Walsh] views on the national security team  Obama 
>>> has appointed and expect that these are the people who will  be running 
>>> foreign policy for the next two years while Obama  focuses 
>>> domesticallly, the peace movement needs to figure out what  -- if any --  
>>> message at the inagurartion will be effective.
>>>  Most Obama supporters, even the apolitical ones, want to see the  Iraq 
>>> war ended.  They agree with us even though they voted for  Obama. 
>>> Indeed, many, many peace activists supported Obama despite  his weak 
>>> foreign policy positions and proclaimed victory when he  won the 
>>> election.  So, the crowd that will be at the inaguration  will be with 
>>> us on the Iraq issue but also be with Obama,  celebrating his 
>>> presidency.  We need to pull people to our  position and develop a broad 
>>> protest movement against Obama's  foreign policy positions -- which we 
>>> know we willl not like.   We  don't pull people to us by protesting at 
>>> his party.  It just will  not be effective, indeed it will marginalize 
>>> more than broaden the  peace movement.  Communication needs to serve the 
>>> purpose of  broadening the peace movement not making us feel good by 
>>> shouting  our anger.  Effective communication is the goal.
>>>  Carl's [Davidson] approach of building on the "Yes we can" slogan  of 
>>> Obama is closer to what would be effective.  The phrases that  come 
>>> after "Yes we can" are important.  "End the Iraq War NOW" --  with the 
>>> emphasis on NOW is one that might work.  Expressing the  urgency of 
>>> now -- another Obama phrase and one that shows that he  can stop the 
>>> killing now -- he can stop the drones in Pakistan   --  now, the 
>>> bombings of wedding parties in Afghanistan -- now,   Israel getting out 
>>> of Palestine - now.  The same could be true  with other foreign policy 
>>> issues. After inaguration these killings  in Pakistan etc. willl be 
>>> Obama's responsibility as he does have  the power to stop them now.
>>>  We have to walk a fine line of demonstrating our independence for 
>>> Obama, but at this stage of his presidency, especially inaguration  day, 
>>> showing hope for the new administration -- despite our  expectation that 
>>> hopes willl be dashed, rather quickly.
>>
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