[Peace-discuss] Fw: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The Planned Bush Blanket Pardons

Thu Dec 11 23:08:56 CST 2008

There is no recanting involved since I never precluded the option of
offering solutions or suggestions on the necessity of doing so.

From: E. Wayne Johnson [mailto:ewj at pigs.ag] 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:51 PM
To: LAURIE SOLOMON
Cc: jencart13 at yahoo.com; 'unionyes'; 'Peace-discuss List'
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The
Planned Bush Blanket Pardons

In fact, I myself have suggested

1) civil disobedience,

2) general strikes, and  

3) general disruptive behaviors and actions

...) among other things.

Aha!  The Reasoned Recanting of the Pure Critic...

LAURIE SOLOMON wrote: 

Unfortunately, this discussion presupposes an either/or set of alternatives.
You either (1) send cards, letters, and emails, (2) make phone calls, and
(3) engage in pickets and marches or give up and do nothing.  But that is
not necessarily the case. Several people on this list have suggested
alternative courses of action only to be told that they were too radical,
they would alienate the masses or the responsible and respectable middle
class establishment centrists,  or they were impractical.  In fact, I myself
have suggested civil disobedience, general strikes, and  general disruptive
behaviors and actions among other things.  Many people, including some on
the list, feel that many of the things that have been suggested are just too
ineffective and a waste of time; but that does not mean that they are saying
that they think all actions are ineffective and a waste of time.  They just
do not feel like participating in what they do not think will get results.
Those on the other side make the same arguments and react the same way when
actions that they consider too radical are proposed.

From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
[mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Jenifer
Cartwright
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:18 PM
To: unionyes; E. Wayne Johnson
Cc: Peace-discuss List
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The
Planned Bush Blanket Pardons

Cards, calls, emails,and letters will let those in charge know we're paying
attention and that we care. The worry is that the outcry against Bush
(atrocity fatigue??) won't be loud or strong enuff because (like some on
this list) too many will say, Aw what's the use? Actually, the public's
enraged response may actually turn the Blago deal into a very good thing for
otherwise tempted pols.

 --Jenifer  

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, E. Wayne Johnson  <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag> <ewj at pigs.ag>
wrote:

From: E. Wayne Johnson  <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag> <ewj at pigs.ag>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The
Planned Bush Blanket Pardons
To: "unionyes"  <mailto:unionyes at ameritech.net> <unionyes at ameritech.net>
Cc: "Peace-discuss List"  <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:48 AM

Interesting.

But note that Congress had good reason to Impeach Bush and go after his
gang,
but they did not.

The most obvious reason why they did not go after Bush was that the
opposition party wanted to retain
the Anti-constitutionally broadened Executive powers, and let the aspersions
for doing that fall on Bush.

So what makes you think that all your cards and letters are going to make
the opposition party go
after Bush now that the reins of government power are falling into their
hands?  They have little
to gain by pursuing Bush at this point.

unionyes wrote: 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: theteam at peaceteam.net 

To: activist.thepen at gmail.com 

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:39 AM

Subject: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The Planned Bush Blanket
Pardons

Ask Your House Member To Co-Sponsor H.Res.  1531 Against The Bush Preemptive
Pardons

Another day, another non-denial denial that Bush is planning midnight
preemptive blanket pardons for his entire gang, including himself.  In an
article in the New York Times the other day, current attorney general
Mukasey is quoted as asserting it would not be "necessary".  Please take
careful note he did not say it wouldn't happen, because unless we speak out
now it WILL.

The best shot we have is H.Res.  1531 which puts the administration on clear
notice that there will be strong push back from Congress if they attempt
such a scurrilous stunt.  Please submit this action page to ask your House
member to sign on as a co-sponsor of this measure.

Support H.Res.  1531 Action Page:  http://www.usalone.com/hres1531.php 

We all know that George Bush as someone without even the guts to face his
own music, he who sent more that four thousand brave Americans to their
senseless graves, for a premeditated and knowing lie in Iraq, tens of
thousands of American crippled and mutilated for life, trillions looted from
our economy, and he doesn't even have the simple courage to risk the
accountability of having to defend his numberless crimes in a fair trial.

It is now known that Nixon seriously considered pardoning himself, but even
he was not THAT despicable.  George Bush most certainly is.  And remember
that his administration has been infested with Nixon era cronies like Cheney
and Rumsfeld, so it is no surprise that the malfeasance of the Nixon era has
been magnified in the last eight years.

Nixon infamously said, "If the president does it that means it is not
illegal", conveniently after his own blanket pardon by the way.  That has
been their creed.  The entire Bush administration has been one ongoing
criminal enterprise since day one, a wrecking ball to the Constitution and
rule of law, with torture, illegal surveillance, obstruction and perversion
of justice in the firing of U.S.  attorneys, not to mention national level
election fraud, the naked treason of outing Valerie Plame, and on and on.

And the only way we can make sure nothing like this EVER happens again is to
demand full accountability, so that all America truly understands what a
miserable, lying, cowardly creep we were so foolish as to allow get away
with stealing two successive presidential elections.

Please call on your members of Congress to immediately sign on to H.Res.
1531, and let's have a real national debate on the coming greatest outrage
of all, before they get away with that too.

Support H.Res.  1531 Action Page:  http://www.usalone.com/hres1531.php 

And you can also still get an "Impeach Both!!!" cap from the return page
from the action page submission.  We're not going to say "while supplies
last", because we'll manufacture as many as you can wear, right up until the
last minute.  Another 600 are going out today, for a total of upwards of
2,000 more in just the last two weeks.  So if you have already requested
yours, it is most likely already on the way.

Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed to be
ours, and forward this alert as widely as possible.

If you would like to get alerts like these, you can do so at
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