[Peace-discuss] Faith and fanaticism

[Brussel Morton K.]

You don't (wish to) get it. Obama AT THE PRESENT TIME can do nothing.  
He hasn't committed war crimes YET, however you define those crimes.  
That, simply, was my point. What he MAY do when in office is  
conjectural, another issue, to which we could probably agree at this  
time. --mkb


On Dec 19, 2008, at 6:02 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

> It's not "honest" to conclude that Obama will do what he said he  
> will do and is putting people in place to do?  That's a funny use  
> of language at best, Mort. Perhaps an indication that the cupboard  
> is bare when it comes to making liberal arguments for those  
> prosecuting the US war. It reminds of the argument that "The  
> president knows more than you do!" that was flung in desperation at  
> critics of LBJ. I think you're stuck in an indefensible position.   
> --CGE
>
>
> Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>> He just hasn't done it yet. You must know that, so don't distort  
>> the issue---it's not honest.
>>  I expect Obama will do what he's said, but I'm not yet absolutely  
>> certain. He could change (in greater or lesser ways.), or events  
>> could change his intended actions.
>> No illusions about Obama (before the election--I voted for  
>> McKinney), even worse prognostications over all  with McCain/Palin.
>> --mkb
>> On Dec 19, 2008, at 2:41 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>> You had no trouble believing McCain was going to do what he said  
>>> he was going to do.  Why do you have trouble believing Obama?
>>>
>>> Any campaign motive for lying is over. And Obama has been more  
>>> consistent and indeed truthful.  So (as some Brit's would say)  
>>> BOb's your uncle...  --CGE
>>>
>>> Morton K. Brussel wrote:
>>>> Are you not getting a little ahead of the game with your Clinton- 
>>>> Bush-Obama war crimes? BOb is not yet there. --mkb
>>>> On Dec 19, 2008, at 12:55 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>>>
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