[Peace-discuss] Faith and fanaticism

[C. G. Estabrook]

Come on, Mort.  That's just silly.  It's quite clear what the new administration 
is going to do.  They're working hard to get it done now. How else can you read 
Gates' comments or those of the military (who will remain in place)? Could they 
be saying (and doing) what they are if there were going to be major changes 
after January 20?


Brussel Morton K. wrote:
> You don't (wish to) get it. Obama AT THE PRESENT TIME can do nothing. He 
> hasn't committed war crimes YET, however you define those crimes. That, 
> simply, was my point. What he MAY do when in office is conjectural, 
> another issue, to which we could probably agree at this time. --mkb
> 
> 
> On Dec 19, 2008, at 6:02 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> 
>> It's not "honest" to conclude that Obama will do what he said he will 
>> do and is putting people in place to do?  That's a funny use of 
>> language at best, Mort. Perhaps an indication that the cupboard is 
>> bare when it comes to making liberal arguments for those prosecuting 
>> the US war. It reminds of the argument that "The president knows more 
>> than you do!" that was flung in desperation at critics of LBJ. I think 
>> you're stuck in an indefensible position.  --CGE
>>
>>
>> Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>>> He just hasn't done it yet. You must know that, so don't distort the 
>>> issue---it's not honest.
>>>  I expect Obama will do what he's said, but I'm not yet absolutely 
>>> certain. He could change (in greater or lesser ways.), or events 
>>> could change his intended actions.
>>> No illusions about Obama (before the election--I voted for McKinney), 
>>> even worse prognostications over all  with McCain/Palin.
>>> --mkb
>>> On Dec 19, 2008, at 2:41 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>> You had no trouble believing McCain was going to do what he said he 
>>>> was going to do.  Why do you have trouble believing Obama?
>>>>
>>>> Any campaign motive for lying is over. And Obama has been more 
>>>> consistent and indeed truthful.  So (as some Brit's would say) BOb's 
>>>> your uncle...  --CGE
>>>>
>>>> Morton K. Brussel wrote:
>>>>> Are you not getting a little ahead of the game with your 
>>>>> Clinton-Bush-Obama war crimes? BOb is not yet there. --mkb
>>>>> On Dec 19, 2008, at 12:55 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>>>>
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