[Peace-discuss] Re: [Peace] Rachel Maddow on Obama's selection of Rick Warren to give inaugural address

Sun Dec 21 17:21:54 CST 2008

THANKS, Stuart -- I will be using this link a lot!! Here's my email to Obama:

Definitely NOT Rick Warren for inaugural invocation or anything else connected w/ any US, state, or local gov't events! This dreadful man uses his nasty take on the bible and religion to demean human beings who are equal to us all both in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of any God worth believing in. The concept of separation of church and state was put into place to protect us all from people like Rick Warren. Ask him to decline, and find a more christian Christian (or christian non-Christian).
 --Jenifer 

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, Stuart Levy <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:

From: Stuart Levy <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Peace] Rachel MAddox on Obama's selection of Rick Warren t give inaugural address
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Cc: kakranich at yahoo.com, Peace at lists.chambana.net, "UC Progressives" <ucprogressives at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 3:34 PM

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 09:31:36AM -0800, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> The outcry against Rick Warren  has NOTHING to do w/ ANY of the stuff you
mention, Wayne (as well you know). His views on gays (and choice) make him an
unacceptable pick for ANYTHING to do w/ ANY gov't function (not that ANY
religious stuff belongs at ANY gov't function, imho opinion (yeah,
that'll happen in my lifetime). Not sure why Obama chose him -- he'd
surely be able to find somebody a lot more christian (adjective) to deliver the
invocation... And why look to appease the evangelicals rather than us? The
election's over. So far as Jerimiah Wright's concerned -- he's made
some great points, but he's made some ridiculous ones as well, e g his
statement that the US gov't created the AIDS virus to get rid of blacks.
Everyone knows the US gov't created the AIDS virus to get rid of gays
(kidding).
>  
> Sooooo.... how DO I send an email to the Obama camp these days???
>  --Jenifer

One route in is the http://change.gov/ link for "Share Your Vision"
(see bottom of page).
This isn't exactly a comment line, but the transition team is at least
nominally listening to it:

    http://change.gov/page/s/yourvision

> PS I corrected spelling of Rachel Maddow's name so y'all
could google and and watch her show every nite on yr computer.  

Great.

Followups set to peace-discuss by default...

> --- On Sun, 12/21/08, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
> 
> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Subject: Re: [Peace] Rachel MAddox on Obama's selection of Rick Warren
t give inaugural address
> To: jencart13 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "UC Progressives" <ucprogressives at lists.chambana.net>,
Peace at lists.chambana.net, kakranich at yahoo.com
> Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 2:28 AM
> 
> 
> I was not at all surprised that Obama picked Rick Warren since Obama has
been in his church
> Warren is quite popular and has a significant following due to his many
books on church growth.
> I consider Warren's brand of teaching to be much too bland for me.
> 
> The usual criticism of Rick Warren is the way in which he uses scripture,
> the rather loose interpretations of scripture that he makes,
> and his tendency to quote paraphrases of the Bible rather 
> than literal translations or exegesis from the originals.  I have 
> always been more than a little bit leery of Warren and his books because
he 
> doesn't demonstrate much scholarship in the Biblical texts.  
> 
> I have declined to participate in local events featuring Warren's
programs because
> I think they are dangerously lacking in depth.  Some of my friends have
made
> similar comments questioning the lack of real committment required by 
> his popular church growth programs.   Some of them express similar
concerns
> when they hear Mr. Obama make his occasional profession of Christian
faith.
> I was particularly concerned when Obama threw his old pastor under the
bus.
> I rather like Jeremiah Wright.
> 
> We weren't at all surprised to see Warren invite Obama to a conference
in 2006 where he lauded Obama.
> We had already decided by then that Warren wasn't particularly
discerning.
> 
> So I must say that although I dont care for his rather mediocre
scholarship and 
> emphasis on numerical membership growth rather than spiritual growth,
> I am surprised that you are moved to go so far as to call him "one
disgusting s.o.b."
> 
> I think a much better choice would have been Obama's old pastor
Jeremiah Wright.
> Wright is certainly more scholarly than Warren.
> 
> Wright delivered a tremendous address to the National Press Club last
spring after Obama ditched him.
> It was pretty long.  I thought part 3 of 3 was the best part -
> I have kept it favorited in my YouTube box.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aM8VU47pKU
> 
> John Newton, who penned the words (not the tune) to the familiar hymn
"Amazing Grace",
> was a slave trader who repented and later influenced William Wilberforce
who became 
> a major player in the Abolition Movement.
> 
> 
> Jenifer Cartwright wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rick Warren is one disgusting s o b, and I'd like to tell Obama that
his invocation choice is unacceptable. My link to Obama's email doesn't
go thru, now that he's resigned his senate seat. Anybody have a current.
one? Thanks.
>  --Jenifer 
> 
> --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Kimberlie Kranich <kakranich at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Kimberlie Kranich <kakranich at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Peace] Rachel MAddox on Obama's selection of Rick Warren t
give inaugural address
> To: "UC Progressives" <ucprogressives at lists.chambana.net>,
Peace at lists.chambana.net
> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 11:37 AM
> 
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