[Peace-discuss] The Kennedys' fake liberalism... [reformatted]

[C. G. Estabrook]

Far from being king-makers, evangelicals are regarded by Republicans as 
blacks/radicals/etc. are regarded by Democrats: they've got no place else to 
go...  --CGE


Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> The Evangelicals will NEVER vote for pro-choice Hillary over pro-life 
> McCain!!  Even tho' McCain was not their first choice, he's got enuff of 
> their platform that he'll get their vote... and he'll also go a-courting 
> in their camp between now and November.
>  --Jenifer
> 
> */"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>/* wrote:
> 
>     The emergence of Mad John McCain as the putative Republican nominee
>     looks like being a difficulty for those who think our problems are
>     caused by people who don't believe in evolution. "Evangelical 'values
>     voters' of the Midwest and South" would not seem to be too happy with
>     McCain, whose favorite argument appears to be, "Fuck you!" (In that at
>     least, he's a worthy successor to Cheney.) See
>     .
> 
>     If evangelicals turn out not to be directing presidential politics (and
>     never have), what are they going to do in a Clinton-McCain election?
>     Vote for Hillary? --CGE
> 
> 
>     David Green wrote:
>      > From Wiener's review (thanks Carl):
>      > //
>      > /Michael Kazin recently warned against viewing Hofstadter as "an
>     elegant
>      > ruin from a benighted age." Brown agrees, arguing that we need
>      > Hofstadter to understand the tormented politics of our time. In this
>      > view, Hofstadter may have been wrong about yesterday's Populists,
>     but he
>      > was right about today's Republicans. *The rise of George Bush is
>     said to
>      > mark the return of status politics, because Republican majorities
>     depend
>      > on the Evangelical Protestant "values voters" of the Midwest and
>      > South--former Populist areas!* Facing economic decline, they
>     blame their
>      > problems on the "liberal elite" and vote for prayer in schools
>     and guns
>      > everywhere else....(Wiener's view:) That seems like a thin lesson to
>      > draw from a thick body of work./
>      > //
>      > Indeed, it seems like no lesson at all to draw from Hofstadter's
>     work,
>      > both because Hofstadter himself appears to have had serious
>     doubts about
>      > it, and because it's wrong. Because the Democrats repress class and
>      > economic issues, "red state" voters either vote for Bush or stay
>     home.
>      > They're absolutely right in their mistrust of a liberal elite,
>     and right
>      > to associate that elite with the horrible Clintons and his erstwhile
>      > Democrat successors, including of course his wife. Talk of "status
>      > anxiety" and "status politics" among the middle and working
>     classes is
>      > intellectual sloganeering and reactionary sociology from both
>     liberals
>      > and conservatives who are threatened by "extremes" who want to
>     rethink
>      > the notion of "progress" in an egalitarian manner that debunks the
>      > measure of Gross Domestic Product.
>      >
>      > DG