[Peace-discuss] Ron Paul & GroundHog Day

[C. G. Estabrook]

Not only that, but she seems to have the "superdelegates" as well -- i.e., the non-elected delegates the Dems added to their convention after 1972 to make sure that "insurgents" couldn't seize the nomination, as they did for McGovern that year.

Altho' there are some reports that superdelegates are bleeding away towards Obama... The Dem establishment may still snatch defeat, etc.   --CGE


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>Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:59:41 -0800 (PST)
>From: Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>  
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Ron Paul & GroundHog Day  
>To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>, Stuart Levy <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>
>   I realize that's not the point of yr posting, Carl,
>   but, to date, hasn't Hillary won more delegates (as
>   well as primaries) than Obama? Yeah, the BBC
>   also (along w/ Durbin, Obama, Charlie Gibson) refers
>   to Hugo Chavez as "a dictator." Can't believe
>   anybody these days...  
>    --Jenifer 
>
>   "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>     [The BBC reports on MoveOn's latest move, hardly a
>     wrenching surprise... Their
>     success is indicated by their getting the BBC to
>     call them "a leading antiwar
>     movement in the United States"! A mockery...
>     --CGE]
>
>     Anti-war grouping supports Obama
>     A leading anti-war movement in the United States
>     has opted to back Barack Obama for the presidency.
>
>     MoveOn.org claims to have 3.2 million members, and
>     said it would start a
>     campaign immediately to persuade them to support
>     the senator from Illinois.
>
>     Mr Obama is vying with New York Senator Hillary
>     Clinton to be the Democratic
>     Party's candidate for president.
>
>     Election contests for both parties are held in
>     more than 20 states on "Super
>     Tuesday" next week.
>
>     Mr Obama has won more delegates than Mrs Clinton
>     from the Democrats' contests so
>     far, but polls suggest Mrs Clinton will have the
>     edge in the states that vote on
>     Super Tuesday.
>
>     For the Republicans, Senator John McCain has
>     emerged as the front-runner after
>     winning the primary election in Florida. His main
>     rival is former Massachusetts
>     Governor Mitt Romney.
>
>     Super Tuesday could be decisive for the
>     Republicans, as in many states the
>     winner of the contest takes all of the delegates
>     on offer.
>
>     In the Democratic race, however, states award
>     their delegates according to the
>     proportion of the vote won - meaning the tight
>     battle could continue for weeks.
>
>     'Desperate for change'
>
>     MoveOn said 70% of its members had backed Mr Obama
>     over 30% for Mrs Clinton.
>
>     "Our members' endorsement of Senator Obama is a
>     clear call for a new America at
>     this critical moment in history," said MoveOn
>     executive director Eli Pariser.
>
>     He says MoveOn's goal is to bring "progressive
>     values" to Washington,
>
>     "Seven years of the disastrous policies of the
>     Bush administration have left the
>     country desperate for change."
>
>     Mr Pariser said America needed its next president
>     "to end the war in Iraq,
>     provide health care to every American, deal with
>     our climate crisis, and restore
>     America's standing in the world"...
>
>     Stuart Levy wrote:
>     > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 07:53:14PM -0600, C. G.
>     Estabrook wrote:
>     >> We have of course been "approached by Clinton
>     and Obama supporters" -- more
>     >> than approached: we've worked with them in the
>     shape of the Democratic
>     >> party front groups, MoveOn and "Americans
>     Against Escalation in Iraq." (And
>     >> theirs was a purposeful attempt at co-option of
>     the anti-war movement;
>     >> that's not what the Ron Paul campaign is
>     doing.)
>     >
>     > But at AAEI and MoveOn events, we did not stand
>     in support of
>     > particular candidates. We stood in support of
>     issues.
>     > ...
>
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