[Peace-discuss] The Kennedys' fake liberalism... [reformatted]

[C. G. Estabrook]

Probably particularly if McCain chooses Huckabee for VP (as he's clearly angling for).  McCain-Huckabee could beat Clinton-Obama, I should think...

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>Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:52:20 -0800 (PST)
>From: Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>  
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Kennedys' fake liberalism... [reformatted]  
>To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
>Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>
>   Ah, at last something on which we can agree
>   absolutely!! Well put... and you've also answered yr
>   own question: evangelicals will be voting for
>   McCain, rather than voting for Hillary or not voting
>   at all.
>    --Jenifer
>
>   "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>     Far from being king-makers, evangelicals are
>     regarded by Republicans as
>     blacks/radicals/etc. are regarded by Democrats:
>     they've got no place else to
>     go... --CGE
>
>     Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>     > The Evangelicals will NEVER vote for pro-choice
>     Hillary over pro-life
>     > McCain!! Even tho' McCain was not their first
>     choice, he's got enuff of
>     > their platform that he'll get their vote... and
>     he'll also go a-courting
>     > in their camp between now and November.
>     > --Jenifer
>     >
>     > */"C. G. Estabrook" <GALLIHER at UIUC.EDU>/* wrote:
>     >
>     > The emergence of Mad John McCain as the putative
>     Republican nominee
>     > looks like being a difficulty for those who
>     think our problems are
>     > caused by people who don't believe in evolution.
>     "Evangelical 'values
>     > voters' of the Midwest and South" would not seem
>     to be too happy with
>     > McCain, whose favorite argument appears to be,
>     "Fuck you!" (In that at
>     > least, he's a worthy successor to Cheney.) See
>     > .
>     >
>     > If evangelicals turn out not to be directing
>     presidential politics (and
>     > never have), what are they going to do in a
>     Clinton-McCain election?
>     > Vote for Hillary? --CGE
>     >
>     >
>     > David Green wrote:
>     > > From Wiener's review (thanks Carl):
>     > > //
>     > > /Michael Kazin recently warned against viewing
>     Hofstadter as "an
>     > elegant
>     > > ruin from a benighted age." Brown agrees,
>     arguing that we need
>     > > Hofstadter to understand the tormented
>     politics of our time. In this
>     > > view, Hofstadter may have been wrong about
>     yesterday's Populists,
>     > but he
>     > > was right about today's Republicans. *The rise
>     of George Bush is
>     > said to
>     > > mark the return of status politics, because
>     Republican majorities
>     > depend
>     > > on the Evangelical Protestant "values voters"
>     of the Midwest and
>     > > South--former Populist areas!* Facing economic
>     decline, they
>     > blame their
>     > > problems on the "liberal elite" and vote for
>     prayer in schools
>     > and guns
>     > > everywhere else....(Wiener's view:) That seems
>     like a thin lesson to
>     > > draw from a thick body of work./
>     > > //
>     > > Indeed, it seems like no lesson at all to draw
>     from Hofstadter's
>     > work,
>     > > both because Hofstadter himself appears to
>     have had serious
>     > doubts about
>     > > it, and because it's wrong. Because the
>     Democrats repress class and
>     > > economic issues, "red state" voters either
>     vote for Bush or stay
>     > home.
>     > > They're absolutely right in their mistrust of
>     a liberal elite,
>     > and right
>     > > to associate that elite with the horrible
>     Clintons and his erstwhile
>     > > Democrat successors, including of course his
>     wife. Talk of "status
>     > > anxiety" and "status politics" among the
>     middle and working
>     > classes is
>     > > intellectual sloganeering and reactionary
>     sociology from both
>     > liberals
>     > > and conservatives who are threatened by
>     "extremes" who want to
>     > rethink
>     > > the notion of "progress" in an egalitarian
>     manner that debunks the
>     > > measure of Gross Domestic Product.
>     > >
>     > > DG
>
>
>
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