[Peace-discuss] The Kennedys' fake liberalism... [reformatted]

[Jenifer Cartwright]

Isn't McCain-Lieberman more likely? Evangies will vote for McCain over the Demos on the "values" issues -- gays and abortion -- regardless of his running mate. No other option.
   --Jenifer 

"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu> wrote:
  Probably particularly if McCain chooses Huckabee for VP (as he's clearly angling for). McCain-Huckabee could beat Clinton-Obama, I should think...

---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:52:20 -0800 (PST)
>From: Jenifer Cartwright 
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Kennedys' fake liberalism... [reformatted] 
>To: "C. G. Estabrook" 
>Cc: Peace Discuss 

>
> Ah, at last something on which we can agree
> absolutely!! Well put... and you've also answered yr
> own question: evangelicals will be voting for
> McCain, rather than voting for Hillary or not voting
> at all.
> --Jenifer
>
> "C. G. Estabrook" wrote:
>
> Far from being king-makers, evangelicals are
> regarded by Republicans as
> blacks/radicals/etc. are regarded by Democrats:
> they've got no place else to
> go... --CGE
>
> Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> > The Evangelicals will NEVER vote for pro-choice
> Hillary over pro-life
> > McCain!! Even tho' McCain was not their first
> choice, he's got enuff of
> > their platform that he'll get their vote... and
> he'll also go a-courting
> > in their camp between now and November.
> > --Jenifer
> >
> > */"C. G. Estabrook" /* wrote:
> >
> > The emergence of Mad John McCain as the putative
> Republican nominee
> > looks like being a difficulty for those who
> think our problems are
> > caused by people who don't believe in evolution.
> "Evangelical 'values
> > voters' of the Midwest and South" would not seem
> to be too happy with
> > McCain, whose favorite argument appears to be,
> "Fuck you!" (In that at
> > least, he's a worthy successor to Cheney.) See
> > .
> >
> > If evangelicals turn out not to be directing
> presidential politics (and
> > never have), what are they going to do in a
> Clinton-McCain election?
> > Vote for Hillary? --CGE
> >
> >
> > David Green wrote:
> > > From Wiener's review (thanks Carl):
> > > //
> > > /Michael Kazin recently warned against viewing
> Hofstadter as "an
> > elegant
> > > ruin from a benighted age." Brown agrees,
> arguing that we need
> > > Hofstadter to understand the tormented
> politics of our time. In this
> > > view, Hofstadter may have been wrong about
> yesterday's Populists,
> > but he
> > > was right about today's Republicans. *The rise
> of George Bush is
> > said to
> > > mark the return of status politics, because
> Republican majorities
> > depend
> > > on the Evangelical Protestant "values voters"
> of the Midwest and
> > > South--former Populist areas!* Facing economic
> decline, they
> > blame their
> > > problems on the "liberal elite" and vote for
> prayer in schools
> > and guns
> > > everywhere else....(Wiener's view:) That seems
> like a thin lesson to
> > > draw from a thick body of work./
> > > //
> > > Indeed, it seems like no lesson at all to draw
> from Hofstadter's
> > work,
> > > both because Hofstadter himself appears to
> have had serious
> > doubts about
> > > it, and because it's wrong. Because the
> Democrats repress class and
> > > economic issues, "red state" voters either
> vote for Bush or stay
> > home.
> > > They're absolutely right in their mistrust of
> a liberal elite,
> > and right
> > > to associate that elite with the horrible
> Clintons and his erstwhile
> > > Democrat successors, including of course his
> wife. Talk of "status
> > > anxiety" and "status politics" among the
> middle and working
> > classes is
> > > intellectual sloganeering and reactionary
> sociology from both
> > liberals
> > > and conservatives who are threatened by
> "extremes" who want to
> > rethink
> > > the notion of "progress" in an egalitarian
> manner that debunks the
> > > measure of Gross Domestic Product.
> > >
> > > DG
>
>
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