[Peace-discuss] Westboro Baptist and NIU

[Marti Wilkinson]

No one has suggested that Phelps represents mainstream conservative
Christianity. Your concerns have no basis in reality.


On Feb 16, 2008 2:28 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:

>  At 11:08 AM 2/16/2008, Robert Dunn wrote:
>
> I think that Fred Phelps does not represent mainstream conservative
> evangelical Christianity. He is so sick that he picketed Jerry Falwells
> funeral. He targeted the funerals of the Amish girls murdered last year.
> Please do not use this fringe group to point out that all conservative
> Christians are like this, THEY ARE NOT!
> In fact, his church was kicked out of the Southern Baptist Convention,
> which they picketed, go figure.
> Ironically, he also met with the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinijad and
> praised him for outlawing homosexuality in Iran. Why this guy has not been
> brought up on real treason charges is beyond me.
> Here is a complete list of people he  has targeted.
> the Mathew Shepard funeral,
> military funerals
> the Amish girls funeral
> James Dobsons home
> the Southern Baptist Convention
> The 700 club headquarters had a bomb threat that apparently came from one
> of the WBC members
> the victims of Virginia Tech
> Jerry Falwells funeral
> and this!
> I hope no one believes that Phelps represents mainstream evangelical
> Christianity at all. To imply that is wrong!
> So please don't on this list or anywhere.
> Thank you,
> Robert
>
>
>
> No one I know is implying that, Robert.
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:40:37 -0600
> To: martiwilki at gmail.com; jencart13 at yahoo.com
> From: jbw292002 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Westboro Baptist and NIU
> CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>
> At 06:19 PM 2/15/2008, Marti Wilkinson wrote:
>
>  Phelps and WBC seem as harmless as they are ridiculous
>
> I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this. Phelps and
> his followers seek to hurt and damage anyone who they believe is doomed to
> go to hell. I would not want to be at a funeral grieving for a family member
> or friend and to have to deal with these clowns. Also it's not just gay
> people who they hate. Anyone who refuses to be just like them is also a
> target.
>
> For example, since I am a single parent who is part Swedish that would
> certainly qualify me as a candidate for all sorts of hellfire and brimstone.
> Their hatred of Swedes is pretty funny to me. Verbal abuse can be as
> damaging as physical abuse and the concept of "sticks n stones" is a myth.
> These people do have the right to engage in lawful protest in public places
> - and I hope that there will be individuals who have the courage to unite in
> love, peace, and tolerance in the face of this evil.
>
> Marti
>
>
>
> And I'm with Marti on this one.  It would be one thing if it was just Fred
> Phelps.  We could dismiss him as a nut.  But he has a wife; he has seven
> children; he has quite a number of followers; he apparently has a good deal
> of financial support.  I don't think his merry little band is going to take
> over the world any time soon - I'm sure they don't have nearly as many
> followers as, say, the KKK had in its prime - but as a person who identifies
> as a Christian, the existence and ignorance of people like Fred Phelps and
> his group is profoundly depressing to me.  The first thing I noticed when I
> visited the web site was not only a box that says, "God hates fags", but an
> equally noticeable box that says, "God hates YOU."  How much more universal
> can that message get?  Phelps has completely turned the message of
> Christianity on its head.  And there's absolutely no dialogue with people
> who are that fanatical.
>
> John
>
>
>
>  On Feb 15, 2008 5:44 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   WBC is run by a nut case named Fred Phelps who actually "drove Jim Crow
> laws out of KS" (I guess blacks are always heterosexual) but literally hates
> everybody else. He even calls Ronald Reagan and (wait for it......) Bill
> O'Reilly Fag enablers!!! (I bet O'Reilly loved that). Phelps and WBC seem as
> harmless as they are ridiculous. I don't think they're worth a
> counter-protest. In fact, I'd say don't waste your time even thinking about
> them, other than check out the link and have a good laugh. More at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps
>    --Jenifer
>
>
>   "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  At 02:43 PM 2/15/2008, Wendy Edwards wrote:
> >Just as a heads-up, the infamous Westboro Baptist Church (as in >
> godhatesfags.com) is planning to show up at NIU in the wake of the >shootings
> to "protest" at memorials. Some counter-protests are planned. >Here's the
> WBC flyer: > >
> <http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20080214_northern-illinois-university-shooter.pdf>
> http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20080214_northern-illinois-university-shooter.pdf >
> >Wendy
>
> Ugh. I had never seen that web site before. It makes me literally nauseous
> just to read it.
>
>
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