[Peace-discuss] Westboro Baptist and NIU

[John W.]

At 11:08 AM 2/16/2008, Robert Dunn wrote:

>I think that Fred Phelps does not represent mainstream conservative 
>evangelical Christianity. He is so sick that he picketed Jerry Falwells 
>funeral. He targeted the funerals of the Amish girls murdered last year. 
>Please do not use this fringe group to point out that all conservative 
>Christians are like this, THEY ARE NOT!
>In fact, his church was kicked out of the Southern Baptist Convention, 
>which they picketed, go figure.
>Ironically, he also met with the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinijad and 
>praised him for outlawing homosexuality in Iran. Why this guy has not been 
>brought up on real treason charges is beyond me.
>Here is a complete list of people he  has targeted.
>the Mathew Shepard funeral,
>military funerals
>the Amish girls funeral
>James Dobsons home
>the Southern Baptist Convention
>The 700 club headquarters had a bomb threat that apparently came from one 
>of the WBC members
>the victims of Virginia Tech
>Jerry Falwells funeral
>and this!
>I hope no one believes that Phelps represents mainstream evangelical 
>Christianity at all. To imply that is wrong!
>So please don't on this list or anywhere.
>Thank you,
>Robert


No one I know is implying that, Robert.



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>Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:40:37 -0600
>To: martiwilki at gmail.com; jencart13 at yahoo.com
>From: jbw292002 at gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Westboro Baptist and NIU
>CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>
>At 06:19 PM 2/15/2008, Marti Wilkinson wrote:
>
>Phelps and WBC seem as harmless as they are ridiculous
>
>I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this. Phelps and 
>his followers seek to hurt and damage anyone who they believe is doomed to 
>go to hell. I would not want to be at a funeral grieving for a family 
>member or friend and to have to deal with these clowns. Also it's not just 
>gay people who they hate. Anyone who refuses to be just like them is also 
>a target.
>
>For example, since I am a single parent who is part Swedish that would 
>certainly qualify me as a candidate for all sorts of hellfire and 
>brimstone. Their hatred of Swedes is pretty funny to me. Verbal abuse can 
>be as damaging as physical abuse and the concept of "sticks n stones" is a 
>myth. These people do have the right to engage in lawful protest in public 
>places - and I hope that there will be individuals who have the courage to 
>unite in love, peace, and tolerance in the face of this evil.
>
>Marti
>
>
>
>And I'm with Marti on this one.  It would be one thing if it was just Fred 
>Phelps.  We could dismiss him as a nut.  But he has a wife; he has seven 
>children; he has quite a number of followers; he apparently has a good 
>deal of financial support.  I don't think his merry little band is going 
>to take over the world any time soon - I'm sure they don't have nearly as 
>many followers as, say, the KKK had in its prime - but as a person who 
>identifies as a Christian, the existence and ignorance of people like Fred 
>Phelps and his group is profoundly depressing to me.  The first thing I 
>noticed when I visited the web site was not only a box that says, "God 
>hates fags", but an equally noticeable box that says, "God hates 
>YOU."  How much more universal can that message get?  Phelps has 
>completely turned the message of Christianity on its head.  And there's 
>absolutely no dialogue with people who are that fanatical.
>
>John
>
>
>
>On Feb 15, 2008 5:44 PM, Jenifer Cartwright 
><<mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>WBC is run by a nut case named Fred Phelps who actually "drove Jim Crow 
>laws out of KS" (I guess blacks are always heterosexual) but literally 
>hates everybody else. He even calls Ronald Reagan and (wait for it......) 
>Bill O'Reilly Fag enablers!!! (I bet O'Reilly loved that). Phelps and WBC 
>seem as harmless as they are ridiculous. I don't think they're worth a 
>counter-protest. In fact, I'd say don't waste your time even thinking 
>about them, other than check out the link and have a good laugh. More at 
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps 
>
>
>  --Jenifer
>
>
>
>"John W." <<mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com>jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>At 02:43 PM 2/15/2008, Wendy Edwards wrote:
> >Just as a heads-up, the infamous Westboro Baptist Church (as in
> ><http://godhatesfags.com/>godhatesfags.com) is planning to show up at 
> NIU in the wake of the
> >shootings to "protest" at memorials. Some counter-protests are planned.
> >Here's the WBC flyer:
> >
> > 
> http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20080214_northern-illinois-university-shooter.pdf 
>
> >
> >Wendy
>
>Ugh. I had never seen that web site before. It makes me literally
>nauseous just to read it.
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