[Peace-discuss] Obama supports Israel's collective punishment of Gaza

[John W.]

At 10:09 PM 1/26/2008, Morton K. Brussel wrote:

>Yes, John, I'm with Carl on this one. I have no faith in Obama. Perhaps 
>unlike Carl, however, I think he's better on some issues than Bush. 
>Obama's advisors, many from the Clinton administration such as Brzezinski, 
>Lake and Ross, do not lend confidence that he would make a significant 
>change in America's imperial or corporate policies, but there are a few 
>such as Lawrence Korb, who are better on such issues. On domestic issues 
>not involving corporate interests, he'd probably be a big improvement over 
>the current crop. But he's so vague, taken up with his own rhetoric, that 
>one can't be sure of anything that he'd do.
>
>Does that suffice?
>
>Mort


Yes, Mort.  Thank you.  :-)  I had never heard/read you express yourself on 
Obama before, and then suddenly here came that veritable torrent of 
adjectives.  :-P  I myself don't know what to think of Obama.  As you say, 
he's vague and quite taken with his own rhetoric.  He would definitely have 
to GROW into the Presidency.  Somehow I have more faith of that happening 
with Obama than I do with EITHER of the Clintons.  But I could be entirely 
wrong.

John



>On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:06 PM, John W. wrote:
>
>>At 06:59 PM 1/25/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>>He's not the only one. All these adjectives apply:
>>>
>>>revolting, repulsive, repellent, repugnant, disgusting, offensive, 
>>>objectionable, vile, foul, abhorrent, loathsome, nauseating, sickening, 
>>>hateful, detestable, execrable, abominable, monstrous, appalling, 
>>>reprehensible, deplorable, insufferable, intolerable, despicable, 
>>>contemptible, unspeakable, atrocious, awful, terrible, dreadful, 
>>>frightful, obnoxious, unsavory, unpalatable, unpleasant, disagreeable, 
>>>nasty, noisome, distasteful; informal ghastly, horrible, horrid, gross, 
>>>godawful; beastly.
>>>
>>>--mkb
>>
>>I see you have access to a thesaurus, Mort.  :-)  Are you applying all of 
>>these adjectives to Obama?  Do you agree with Carl, then, on his 
>>assessment of Obama?  If so, is your opinion based only on this issue of 
>>Israel/Palestine, or does it reflect other considerations?
>>
>>John Wason
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Jan 25, 2008, at 5:39 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>
>>>>[As if there weren't already more than enough reasons already to reject 
>>>>the odious Obama, consider the letter he sent to Zalmay Khalilzad, the 
>>>>U.S. ambassador to the UN, on the Security Council's meeting regarding 
>>>>the situation in Gaza.  As he asked, he US blocked the council from 
>>>>issuing a statement.--CGE]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Dear Ambassador Khalilzad,
>>>>
>>>>     I understand that today the U.N. Security Council met regarding 
>>>> the situation in Gaza, and that a resolution or statement could be 
>>>> forthcoming from the Council in short order.
>>>>
>>>>     I urge you to ensure that the Security Council issue no statement 
>>>> and pass no resolution on this matter that does not fully condemn the 
>>>> rocket assault Hamas has been conducting on civilians in Southern 
>>>> Israel for over two years.
>>>>
>>>>     All of us are concerned about the impact of closed border 
>>>> crossings on Palestinian families. However, we have to understand why 
>>>> Israel is forced to do this. Gaza is governed by Hamas, which is a 
>>>> terrorist organization sworn to Israel's destruction, and Israeli 
>>>> civilians are being bombarded by rockets on an almost daily basis. 
>>>> That is unacceptable and Israel has a right to respond while seeking 
>>>> to minimize any impact on civilians.
>>>>
>>>>     The Security Council should clearly and unequivocally condemn the 
>>>> rocket attacks against Israel, and should make clear that Israel has 
>>>> the right to defend itself against such actions. If it cannot bring 
>>>> itself to make these common sense points, I urge you to ensure that it 
>>>> does not speak at all.
>>>>
>>>>     Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>>     Barack Obama
>>>>     United States Senator
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