[Prairiegreens-org] Re: [Peace-discuss] Inclusive Presidential Debates

[C. G. Estabrook]

And you manage to denigrate the "'average' American" for her/his opinion of a 
foreign office holder -- without noticing who's putting that opinion about.

I couldn't ask for a better illustration of the sort of blaming the victim that 
your criticism of the US populace is based on. --CGE


John W. wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:43 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu 
> <mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu>> wrote:
> 
>     I thought it was the Average American President of Columbia
>     University who instructed us on that point.
> 
> 
> You manage to be catty even when I'm agreeing with you, Carl.  :-)  I 
> confess to being  uninformed on this particular point.  It's entirely 
> possible.  You've never heard me claim any special enlightenment for 
> presidents of American universities.  American universities are 
> essentially corporations that sell a product which is education, and the 
> presidents are their CEOs.  They engage in propaganda to sell their 
> product, and to perpetuate the mythology of their specialness as 
> institutions of cultural enlightenment.
> 
> 
>  
> 
>     John W. wrote:
> 
> 
>         I'd love to see this.  In fact, Ahmadinejad has already had such
>         "debates" with American leaders in the media.  And he
>         wins....though you couldn't prove it by the "average" American,
>         who thinks that Ahmadinejad is Satan.
> 
> 
>         On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:37 PM, C. G. Estabrook
>         <galliher at uiuc.edu <mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu>
>         <mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu <mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu>>> wrote:
> 
>            [If not "truly inclusive," this would be at least more inclusive
>            than any other so far proposed.  I await The Nation's
>         enthusiastic
>            acceptance.  --CGE]
> 
>                   Iran's Ahmadinejad challenges Obama, McCain to debate
>                     Jul 8 08:11 AM US/Eastern
> 
>            Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday challenged the
>            candidates vying for the US presidency to a debate and called for
>            "fundamental change" in the next US government.
> 
>            Ahmadinejad said he would be willing to meet with Democratic
>            candidate Barack Obama, who has taken fire from his opponents
>         over
>            his offer to talk -- if elected president -- with the leaders of
>            several US foes including Iran.
> 
>            "I announce my readiness to meet with all the (US presidential)
>            candidates of the United States in front of the media," the
>         Iranian
>            president told a press conference at the D8 summit of developing
>            nations.
> 
>            "To build confidence in the region (we need) to have fundamental
>            change in the next US government," he added. Ahmadinejad has
>            previously challenged Bush to a debate at the United Nations.
> 
>            The Iranian leader also called for United States military bases
>            across the world to be "eradicated".
> 
>            "The greatest threat in the Middle East and to countries in the
>            world is US intervention," he said. "The military bases in
>         the whole
>            world should be eradicated and removed."
> 
>            Ahmadinejad, who is embroiled in a wrangle with the West over
>         Iran's
>            nuclear enrichment programme, called on the major powers to
>            "withdraw from animosity and hostile actions against us".
> 
>            "Justice, peace and friendship is also to their benefit," he
>         said.
> 
>            He reiterated that his country would not pull back from its
>         nuclear
>            ambitions and called on Washington to withdraw its troops
>         from Iraq.
> 
>            "No one in Iran will go back from our nuclear position," he said.
>            "We want dialogue for the benefit of all sides but within the
>            framework of law and justice"
> 
>            "To rebuild confidence, the US must withdraw its forces from Iraq
>            and allow the fate of the people of Iraq and regional
>         countries to
>            be written by the hands of their own people," he said.
> 
>            Copyright AFP 2008.
> 
>          
>          http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080708121056.0qkkhodl&show_article=1
>         <http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080708121056.0qkkhodl&show_article=1>
>          
>          <http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080708121056.0qkkhodl&show_article=1
>         <http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080708121056.0qkkhodl&show_article=1>>
> 
> 
>            Walter Pituc wrote:
> 
>                Here is a good piece by the The Nation about the need for
>         truly
>                inclusive Presidential debates... 
> 
>