[Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy

[John W.]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 5:09 PM, LAURIE <LAURIE at advancenet.net> wrote:

Well, if they weren't, we would never have been in these wars and Bush would
> not have been re-elected.  Arguably, there would be an influx of anti-war
> floats in the July 4th parade, protesting the war rather than celebrating
> wars and the military, patriotic duty to support the troops while they
> engage in maiming and killing in the name of making the world safe for
> Democracy and U.S. corporations, among numerous other inane things like
> capitalism (i.e., the JM Jones and two trucks) rather than merely the birth
> of the country.  Also arguably, if the public were not idiots, we would not
> need to even have a float - never mind one that presents them with anti-war
> heroes and people of courage to stand up against their government's wrong
> doing.
>
> I am willing to wager that if you polled most of the public on the names
> that
> you are proposing, over half would not know who the hell you are talking
> about and half of those would not get the message even if you conveyed it
> on
> the float.  Before you can get their attention to educate them, you have to
> get their interest and the easiest way is through things that they have
> some
> familiarity with. I doubt if many know who the hell Major General Antonio
> Taguba, USA (Ret.) is or that he was not in support of the administration
> stand.


Absolutely right, Laurie.  Even Scott Ritter, who is well known to just
about everyone on this list, is not by any means a household name in the
vast majority of American households.  Ditto Amy Goodman, Norman
Finkelstein, et all.  This AWARE list comprises a terribly rarefied group.

There are also different educational contexts.  A parade float is
inappropriate for anything but the very broadest and shallowest of
educational constructs.

Carl, you really, really, really need to get out among the fellaheen more.

John Wason




> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-
> > bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:26 PM
> > To: LAURIE
> > Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
> >
> > People aren't idiots.  Tell them what they haven't been told by our media
> &
> > schools.  --CGE
>
> > LAURIE wrote:
> > > I think that one of the problems with some of the names suggested is
> that
> > > the general public will not know who they are or why they are being
> > > recognized without a lot or pre-parade education. Even a large banner
> > > headline saying something like "These individuals stood against unjust
> > > actions and policies when it counted!" probably would not get the point
> > > across in a way that is desired.  I would think that it would need to
> be
> > > people who are generally recognized on the face of it by the public for
> > > their achievements and positions if the most impact is to be gained.
>
>


> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-
> > >> bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:44 PM
> > >> To: Peace-discuss
> > >> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
> > >>
> > >> [Maybe Gen. Taguba should be included in those honored on the 4th of
> July float.
> > >>   Also, this might make a good flyer for the Saturday 5 July
> demonstration. --CGE]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>    Published on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 by Physicians for Human
> Rights
> > >>    War Crimes Committed and Justice Denied
> > >>    by Major General Antonio Taguba, USA (Ret.)
>
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