FW: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy

Thu Jun 19 09:40:16 CDT 2008

Carl, Laurie, Jen, how's this? (see attached image in PDF and Word
formats). The quote is from Taguba's text that Carl posted.

This image (if it's selected by the July 4th working group) would wind up
about 7 feet tall by 6 feet wide on the float.

And this is a good opportunity to remind folks that the July 4th working
group meets tonight at the home of Jan and Durl Kruse, 2007 S. George Huff
Dr., Urbana. We'll be hashing through suggestions for military heroes to
honor and slogans revealing the truth about war, as well as logistical
details like float construction. All are welcome, please join us.

Even if you can't make it, if you have a hero to suggest, I'd be glad to
make up an image as I've done for Maj. Gen. Taguba if you can provide a
quote and a high resolution image.

R

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; "LAURIE" <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: FW: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy

Yes, head shot including upper chest in full military attire, hat,
stripes, bars.

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, LAURIE <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET> wrote:

From: LAURIE <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
Subject: FW: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:09 PM

Jenifer,

What you have suggested might work. I would suggest that if one were to do
this, then the photograph should be of him in his uniform and not a head
shot per se. This would allow viewers to identify him not only with what
he did but with his being a high ranking military person and not some
crazy civilian type.

From: Jenifer Cartwright [mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:51 PM
To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; LAURIE
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy

I agree absolutely, from "idiots" (maybe "willingly ignorant voters" would
be more accurate?) thru "get their attention." I do think that a large
head shot with very large letters saying, e g, EXPOSED TORTURE AT ABU
GRAHIB might work. Short, and legible from a distance. Also gets my vote
because he's a Fillipino who experienced discrimination from fellow
officers during his military career and knew he'd have no career if he
blew the whistle. Definitely a hero.
--Jenifer

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, LAURIE <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET> wrote:

From: LAURIE <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 5:09 PMWell, if they weren't, we would
never have been in these wars and Bush wouldnot have been re-elected.
Arguably, there would be an influx of anti-warfloats in the July 4th
parade, protesting the war rather than celebratingwars and the military,
patriotic duty to support the troops while theyengage in maiming and
killing in the name of making the world safe forDemocracy and U.S.
corporations, among numerous other inane things likecapitalism (i.e., the
JM Jones and two trucks) rather than merely the birthof the country. Also
arguably, if the public were not idiots, we would notneed to even have a
float - never mind one that presents them with anti-warheroes and people
of courage to stand up against their government's wrongdoing.  I am
willing to wage that if you polled most of the public on the names thatyou
are proposing, over half would not know who the hell you are talkingabout
and half of those would not get
 the message even if you conveyed it onthe float. Before you can get their
attention to educate them, you have toget their interest and the easiest
way is through things that they have somefamiliarity with. I doubt if many
know who the hell Major General AntonioTaguba, USA (Ret.) is or that he
was not in support of the administrationstand.  > -----Original
Message-----> From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
[mailto:peace-discuss-> bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G.
Estabrook> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:26 PM> To: LAURIE> Cc:
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin
torture policy> > People aren't idiots. Tell them what they haven't been
told byour> media &> schools. --CGE> > LAURIE wrote:> > I think that one
of the problems with some of the names suggested is> that> > the general
public will not know who they are or why they are being> > recognized
without a lot or pre-parade education.
 Even a large banner> > headline saying something like "These individuals
stood against> unjust> > actions and policies when it counted!" probably
would not getthe> point> > across in a way that is desired. I would think
that it would need to> be> > people who are generally recognized on the
face of it by the public> for> > their achievements and positions if the
most impact is to be gained.> >> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From:
peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-> discuss-> >>
bounces at lists..chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook> >> Sent:
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:44 PM> >> To: Peace-discuss> >> Subject:
[Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy> >>> >> [Maybe Gen. Taguba
should be included in those honored on the 4thof> >> July float.> >> Also,
this might make a good flyer for the Saturday 5 July> >>
demonstration. --CGE]> >>> >>> >> Published on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 by
Physicians for Human> >> Rights> >>
 War Crimes Committed and Justice Denied> >> by Major General Antonio
Taguba, USA (Ret.)> >> ...>
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