[Peace-discuss] Obama's threat

[E. Wayne Johnson]

It is not too easy to forget that GWBush was elected in 2000 because of 
his talk of a humble foreign policy no nation-building and
not policing the world, a discontinuation of the foreign policy of 
Yugoslavia-bombing Bill Clinton --- and now
here we are in 2008, pretty sure we are being lied to because the lips 
of the candidates are moving.
Except for McCain.  Who seems unbelievably believable when he promises 
more wars and more foreign entanglements.

The famous Firesign Theatre politician George Leroy Tirebiter said
"It's time to Wake up!  And look at Me!  Your only logical choice!",
"And you can believe me -- because I'm always right, and I never lie."

C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> John W. wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> [Remember that in the 2000 campaign Bush attacked Clinton's invasion 
>> of Serbia and said that he would not indulge in such 
>> "nation-building."  We have
>> to assume that some people voted for him because they were tired of 
>> Clinton's
>> foreign policy lies.  Now Obama attacks Bush's foreign policy lies...]
>
> I mean that some people may vote for Obama because they're tired of 
> Bush's
> foreign policy lies -- with no assurance that we'll get anything 
> different  (We
> didn't last time.)  In fact, there's some evidence that we'll get a 
> continuation
> of the usual US foreign policy, perhaps with cosmetic changes, so to 
> speak.
>
>
>> And you're attacking what you've already decided are Obama's past 
>> lies, while
>>  holding up his present words as some sort of immutable truth. What 
>> if Obama is lying NOW to get elected, and he really intends, once 
>> elected, to do the opposite of what he's saying now?  You reckon 
>> that's possible?
>
> I'm afraid that's what Obama's defenders are reduced to: "Vote for him 
> -- he's
> lying!"
>
>> Ralph Nader tells the truth all the time, and never changes his 
>> message.  But
>>  he don't get elected.  What does that tell you?
>
> It reminds me that the US spends a third of its world-largest GDP on 
> propaganda.
>  You can manufacture a lot of consent for that.
>
>> Barack Obama calls Iran a 'threat' Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:32:07
>>
>> US Presidential hopeful Barack Obama calls the Islamic Republic of 
>> Iran a 'threat' during a word association game in a TV interview ...
>
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