[Peace-discuss] Fwd: Now Obama's in, is anti-war anti-racism activism out?

[C. G. Estabrook]

Are you quite happy with your choice of terms, Mort?

And what part of Perrin's comment do you think is wrong?
   --There's no mass movement, as there was in 1933 (or 1968);
   --Obama did reverse himself on FISA;
   --Liberals will defend him as they did Clinton;
   --Obama will fund Wall Street, the military & police; and
   --I'm afraid he will "deliver on his promises" to AfPak.

And I'll be surprised if we don't hear the arguments Neil suggests. --CGE


Morton K. Brussel wrote:
> I wasn't going to respond of Neil's message, because it seemed to me the very
> essence of puerility. Some other adjective needs to be found for Carl's black
> views. --mkb
> 
> 
> On Nov 6, 2008, at 10:11 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> 
>> Yes, bases well covered; and I agree that those base paths will get a 
>> work-out.
>> 
>> As to your last paragraph, I'll repeat Dennis Perrin's remark that I posted
>> a couple of days ago:
>> 
>> "I keep hearing how the 'left' and liberals in general are gonna put flame
>> to his feet after he takes office.  And how, exactly, is that gonna work?
>> There's no mass movement in this country, nothing like FDR faced in 1933.
>> Obama already sold out his supporters over FISA, not that most cared all
>> that much or did anything about it. And with the right wing acting crazy
>> toward him, which will become a burning cottage industry over the next four
>> years, liberals will be defending his administration, much like they did
>> Clinton's -- only this time, I think it'll be even more emotional. I do
>> think that Obama will deliver on his promises to Wall Street, the military,
>> and police departments around the nation. And if I was an Afghan or
>> Pakistani, I would hope that Obama wouldn't deliver on his promises to me."
>> --CGE
>> 
>> 
>> Neil Parthun wrote:
>>> I'd hope that AWARE and others can find it within themselves to criticize
>>> the pro-war policies and growing belligerence of the Obama
>>> administration. But let's help the Democratic apologists come up with
>>> some ideas... How about: -Your criticisms will only help the Republicans
>>> in 2012. -Give him time. -The Democrats can't move left so quickly and
>>> expect to keep popular support. -We must defend Obama against the Right
>>> Wing attacks if we have to have any chance of getting our leftist goals.
>>> -Criticizing the Democrats will cause them to lose their majorities in
>>> Congress and put the greater evil into power -Obama just said that stuff
>>> to get elected and the Republicans are worse. So, let's be happy we have
>>> a warmonger with a D around his name because it will be comparatively
>>> better than a warmonger with an R around his name. -People who criticize
>>> Obama and the Dems must want the Republicans to win Did I cover all the
>>> bases? We got what the apologists wanted -- an Obama presidency -- let's
>>>  start lighting the fire under his ass to press him because what he's 
>>> stated as his policies are damn scary, dangerous and a continuation of
>>> America's imperial power.